Oil formulations are changing due to geopolitics (i.e. Pennzoil Platinum) - time to test your preference...

[EasternSierra]

I ride a motorcycle, shoot guns, sometimes walk briskly with scissors AND take my Bronco to the dealer for "free" oil changes using my Ford Points.

The others don't matter, but walking briskly with scissors?????

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[CalvinT]

In other words, if your engine does not need what it does it does not hurt for it to be present...it is not an "acid" or something that should be used "sparingly".

I can't see paying an extra dollar (or more) a quart for something I don't need now or in the near future.

 

[crenca]

I can't see paying an extra dollar (or more) a quart for something I don't need now or in the near future.

There are many who would for the oil's other attributes - it's superior wear characteristics in Ford's ecoboosts for example. Choice is a good thing, and $value$ is in the eye of the beholder...

 

[drewski]

Unfortunately my tested and preferred brand/formulation/grade: Pennzoil Ultra Platinum (as well as regular Platinum) in 0W-40 is not what it once was:



And though Pennzoil is focused on, he mentions other brand formulations have suffered as well.

I will be testing my next oil change as my engine block is full of this newer formulation currently...

Good info, however, I think Oil Geeks title of the video is a bit over the top. I really did not find it "shocking." I switched to the Ultra Platinum due to being made with natural gas just recently. I am disappointed however the oil still carries the Ford WSS-M2C961-A1 spec on the bottle, so I am sure it is fine to use.

 

[CalvinT]

There are many who would for the oil's other attributes - it's superior wear characteristics in Ford's ecoboosts for example. Choice is a good thing, and $value$ is in the eye of the beholder...

They didn't use Restore and Protect until AFTER the completion of the 500,000 test. During the test they used Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic in one engine. That engine had only one frozen compression ring and next to no wear on the timing chain after 500,000 miles.

The engines were reassembled and put on a dyno. Only then did they use Restore and Protect. Restore and Protect was effective in freeing the frozen compression rings on both engines.

Given their results, I can't see using Restore and Protect until my engine is somewhere past 300,000 mies.

Choice is indeed a good thing, but in my book $value$ has to be perceivable and measurable. But I guess "feel good" has a value of it's own.

 

[crenca]

They didn't use Restore and Protect until AFTER the completion of the 500,000 test. During the test they used Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic in one engine. That engine had only one frozen compression ring and next to no wear on the timing chain after 500,000 miles.

The engines were reassembled and put on a dyno. Only then did they use Restore and Protect. Restore and Protect was effective in freeing the frozen compression rings on both engines.

Given their results, I can't see using Restore and Protect until my engine is somewhere past 300,000 mies.

Choice is indeed a good thing, but in my book $value$ has to be perceivable and measurable. But I guess "feel good" has a value of it's own.

I was referring to @LSW analysis report - which is a direct measurement of wear occurring in his new-ish motor. Think of it as the "Protect" in the "Restore and Protect" marketing tag line.

Now that's value

 

[LSW]

These are good points about what a continuing Dexos rating would mean.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall you wear metals never seemed to get below (maybe right at) 5ppm with MB ESP? In any case your results with Valvoline Restore and Protect is really good and I was thinking that would be my next formulation if PUP tests fall off. Thing is, RaP has disappeared off the shelf of my local Walmart recently so....good thinking about stocking up as well. I grabbed enough PUP for the next two changes but it is the new formulation



What's the story on that?

I was using M1 AFE 0W-30 and had decent (~2 ppm Fe/1k mi) results with it. The engines were in their first 20k when I was using M1 AFE; All else held equal UOA wear levels continue to decrease as mileage increases up to at least 75-100k miles, even if the greatest rate of decrease occurs in the first few thousand. So while the wear is lower with VRP it’s hard to say how much the continued break in/aging of my engines had to do with it, not to mention other driving variables.

That said, VRP doesn’t cost anything more than AFE and it may be helping with wear by keeping rings clean; I don’t see a downside other than lower viscosity compared to the 40 grades or euro 30s. If I was going to use M1 again though it would be the ESP 0W-30 as it’s hard to argue with MB229.51 and VW504 approvals. I was using AFE for Ford’s spec, but I now understand that Ford’s spec is watered down by ILSAC fuel economy requirements, which is an inherent compromise to wear protection.

In regard to Amsoil, they reformulated the entire signature series line this year and once the old stock is depleted we should start seeing the new formulations on the shelves. It seems like Noack volatility decreased in most grades, plus I’m sure they’re now using an API SQ additive package. With the Noack improvement there must’ve been more than just a new additive package though.

 

[MannyG20]

There is no way, Imeen NO WAY, this thread goes sideways. Oh wait...

This whole thread will be moot once President AOC outlaws ICE and only allows EVs. Oil is so yesterday.

 

[23OBX2.7]

This whole thread will be moot once President AOC outlaws ICE and only allows EVs. Oil is so yesterday.

Ahahaha....gonna need a lot of petchem diesel and oil to get there. Sell TX real estate now LOL.

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