2.7L blown engine failure list . . 68 so far [Updated: December 13, 2022]

[jon]

Ok... what does it still have to do with the blown engines....

Coolant is not that poisonous, it will be just fine to use measuring cups. Not having ant-freeze will definitely ruin your motor! Glad that having the right amount and type of ant-freeze / coolant is listed here in the thread about destroyed motors.

I am so sorry for all of you guys that blazed the trail for us still waiting on our orders. Day 594

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[jon]

I don't think anyone failed. I love and own many classic cars from the 50s to the 80s. Some are wonderful machines, some are not. Some are simpler, some are not (vacuum lines in an 80s V8!). Expectations have changed and so have cars. Buyers expect a lot from the cars. They break, handle and generally work much better than older cars. They are safer and truly complicated machinery. Some VW didn't even have a fuel gauge or a heater, let alone, lan departure and heated seats, backup cameras, and engines that adjust to different Octane levels.

I am not making excuses, and I own one the blown engines (its been 2 months), a dropped valve should not happen, but this things do happen and they get repairs/replaced. I mean there has been many weak engines from overheating Flat Head V8s, to Caddy's with 8-4-6.

There are two things to take into account. 1) For those looking for insurance (oil change/cold start etc) there is none. It will happen as it is likely a faulty part. 2) There are no early signs, its fails when it fails. That said, it seems to me that Ford is trying to do the right thing. People are being offered options (buy-back, replacement, compensation) and cars are getting repaired.

There is also not a lot of alternatives, I have been looking something to replace mine, in case I decided to take the buy-back. Mine is a BD so its a very good price point. There is very little that compares (or is available) that is that much fun, well equipped and at that price point.

Just my thoughts ....as I wait for the engine to be replaced ....

I really appreciate your calm and wise perspective. Nothing is perfect in life, and this is just a road bump to us so far!

 

[Jon_MothaFkn_Adams]

Thankfully have not needed a rental, so rather not add that expense (you got to pay and then wait for reimbursement). The car is at a Ford Dealer, closest to where it broke down, not my selling dealer. Not many shops have done Bronco engine replacements, shard to gauge, but so far the feedback from those in this forum that have had a replacement seems encouraging.

My dealer got me a rental to drive while waiting for my motor. I don't know why you would have get one and get reimbursed.

 

[cowman]

Coolant is not that poisonous, it will be just fine to use measuring cups. Not having ant-freeze will definitely ruin your motor! Glad that having the right amount and type of ant-freeze / coolant is listed here in the thread about destroyed motors.

I am so sorry for all of you guys that blazed the trail for us still waiting on our orders. Day 594

Only if it is below freezing... Whereas water boils at around 212°F. at atmospheric pressure, if exposed to 15 psi (a common radiator pressure cap), the boiling point will now be 45°F. higher (3 psi times 15 psi cap). Under this pressure, water boils at 257°F.....


How much antifreeze is lethal to humans?
If a patient swallows antifreeze containing primarily ethylene glycol, death may occur within 24 hours. Patients who survive ethylene glycol poisoning sometimes experience permanent brain damage and vision loss. Ingesting as little as 2 to 8 ounces of methanol can cause death in an adult, and 2 tablespoons can be deadly for a child.

 

[69-300]

My dealer got me a rental to drive while waiting for my motor. I don't know why you would have get one and get reimbursed.

Your kind comment mentioned my comment approach - I guess I went through all stages of grief ! So they only offered me rental reimbursement (Ford ) so you just pick your fights and inconveniences. I am waiting to see what Ford offers at the end.

 

[Jon_MothaFkn_Adams]

Your kind comment mentioned my comment approach - I guess I went through all stages of grief ! So they only offered me rental reimbursement (Ford ) so you just pick your fights and inconveniences. I am waiting to see what Ford offers at the end.

Understood.
I read about another case where the owner got his warranty extended to 100k miles. I will be asking for that also. Might as well go some reward points, too.

 

[pakrat]

would like to read this 188 pages...but, wow...

1. Has anyone drawn oil samples for something like Blackstone labs to relate to imminent failure?
2. Is the 2.7L ecoboost the same block as other 2.7l (like in Edge ST)?

This is mine at 1700 miles. Unfortunately I am a 21214 with three known failures on my day. Anyhow, I noted the problems with the 2.7 when I submitted my sample. Take a look at it for what it's worth. I'm sitting at 3700 miles now.

 

[fltechpilot]

Nah man, you just made a gallon of 50/50 and a gallon of lemon drank.

I have enough gallons of crap laying around already. I prefer to mix as needed.

Lol I should have included that I label it clearly too and I don't keep it in the fridge! That being said, I have too many vehicle fluids in my garage too.

 

[jon]

This is mine at 1700 miles. Unfortunately I am a 21214 with three known failures on my day. Anyhow, I noted the problems with the 2.7 when I submitted my sample. Take a look at it for what it's worth. I'm sitting at 3700 miles now.

Thanks for sharing your oil analysis. May I ask where you sent your oil sample to?

 

[pakrat]

Thanks for sharing your oil analysis. May I ask where you sent your oil sample to?

Blackstone. Used them for 10+ yrs. Seems reasonable to me and turnaround is fast.

 

[jon]

Only if it is below freezing... Whereas water boils at around 212°F. at atmospheric pressure, if exposed to 15 psi (a common radiator pressure cap), the boiling point will now be 45°F. higher (3 psi times 15 psi cap). Under this pressure, water boils at 257°F.....


How much antifreeze is lethal to humans?
If a patient swallows antifreeze containing primarily ethylene glycol, death may occur within 24 hours. Patients who survive ethylene glycol poisoning sometimes experience permanent brain damage and vision loss. Ingesting as little as 2 to 8 ounces of methanol can cause death in an adult, and 2 tablespoons can be deadly for a child.

Very true. Good idea to point out the use of mineral free water.

 

[cowman]

Very true. Good idea to point out the use of mineral free water.

Been using tap water in my vehicle and tractors for over 50 years…. Never had to have a radiator cleaned out

 

[da_jokker]

The problem is they haven't been mixing all the various metals for the last 50 years. The new engines consist of so many different metallurgical combinations, that mixing water with minerals can have long-term effects on erosion because of the way molecules interact with each other.

My grandfather used to use a piece of his leather belt as a makeshift crankshaft bearing on his early fords... Doesn't mean you can still do that now.

Been using tap water in my vehicle and tractors for over 50 years…. Never had to have a radiator cleaned out

 

[Bronco21fan]

Ok... what does it still have to do with the blown engines....

 

[JPye]

Well, Ford's engine problems are not with our 2.7's alone. The crankshaft on the Ford Escape Hybrids were manufactured incorrectly. Huh? Yes! Really.

Ford is recalling the Ford Escape, and I found the list Ford Authority posted on their website this morning along with this story to be of interest to the rest of us for what to do when/if we have issues with a Ford vehicle. This info is specific to the Hybrid Recall but the info is still the same.

Will Ford ever do this for Bronco owners? See article link below:

"Owners should: wait for communications from Ford, which will begin on March 2nd, 2022. The Ford reference number for this recall is 22S10."

Contacts:

• Ford Customer Service: 1-866-436-7332
• FoMoCo Recall Number: 21S46
• NHTSA Toll-Free: 1-888-327-4236
• NHTSA (TTY): 1-800-424-9153
• NHTSA Website: www.safecar.gov

https://fordauthority.com/2022/03/2021-ford-escape-hybrid-recalled-over-engine-crankshaft-issue/

First Edit:
So, the cranks were improperly polished due to a faulty emory lapping tape breakage. The below article sites 25 defective cranks.

When you read the below article, notice how quickly Ford acted on tracking the defective parts, and the steps they are taking for a small number of out of spec parts. It seems the article got the dates wrong because the plant contacted the "Critical Concern Review Group" on Feb 10, for a problem that won't happen until Feb 22 and 23. Huh? Anyway, February is still just a month away, and Ford announced they will notify owners starting today. In comparison, how many bad valves were installed in 2.7 EcoBoost engines that Ford knew about and just sent them out. Most were last summer and still no official response from Ford. No letters of recall being sent out to affected Bronco owners.

I think this is UNACCEPTABLE.

See link:https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...correctly-manufactured-crankshaft-182969.html

"On February 10th, the Chihuahua Engine Plant in Mexico contacted the Critical Concern Review Group about a concern affecting the 2.5-liter powertrain of the Escape Hybrid. This engine is running the Atkinson cycle, which is more fuel efficient than the Otto cycle of most other powertrains.

Subsequent investigation revealed that Chihuahua produced 25 faulty crankshafts between February 22nd and February 23rd, 2021. Ford notes the“out of specification surface finish on the connecting rod journal due to an emery lapping tape breakage that resulted in incomplete polishing.” Adding insult to injury, these crankshafts were not contained at the Mexican plant.

Ford also highlights that all 25 suspect cranks were included in a pallet of 200 parts that was forwarded to the assembly area. Records indicate these crankshafts may have been installed in 199 suspect engines that were traced to 204 Escape Hybrid vehicles produced at the Louisville Assembly Plant in Kentucky. Of those, 163 were delivered to customers in the U.S. of A.

The Dearborn-based automaker’s database identified no fewer than 15 warranty claims for engine replacement, including one report of stalling while driving due to connecting rod bearing failure. Not surprising anyone, all 15 failed engines feature crankshafts from the aforementioned batch.

Ford, therefore, approved a field action that covers a grand total of 155 vehicles in the United States of America. These hybrid-powered Escapes were produced between April 6th, 2021 and May 17th, 2021. In the worst-case scenario, a broken connecting rod may punch the 2.5-liter engine’s block, leading to significant oil loss, therefore increasing the risk of fire."

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