Badlands vs Sasquatch

[ZackDanger]

Read my comment again then, don’t hate! Or troll! Your again comparing a mud terrain 35” tire compared to an 35” All terrain tire both have different lugs, you can get a 315 Nitto ridge grappler but it is smaller then a 35” ridge grappler, It’s a little bit shorter and not as wide. It would be a 34.5x 12.00 x 17 that sir is facts!

I’m not talking about diameter. My point doesn’t matter whether the tire is 33,34,35... what matters is width...

Here’s what you originally wrote and my reply:

I was making it clear that one can not simply state that 35’s fit on a badlands no problem... there is a problem with *width*, and people need to be mindful of that, and we need to be clear about what we are communicating.

What I don’t appreciate is you editing your original post and then telling me to go back and read it again, implying I misread it the first time.

I’m done.

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[De Brus]

Under-body armor I believe is the same.

The lift may be different. The documentation so far, and Ford’s own statements, suggest that Squatch is 10mm higher than BL... even though they both come with the position sensitive bilsteins. Preliminary intel looks like the actual shocks are different between BL and Squatch (The reservoirs are oriented opposite.)

Squatching the BL gets you:

+30mm Offset Wheels. (Needed to clear the wider 35” tire)
35” GY M/T Tires
4.7 Diff
Wider Fender Flares
Rear bumper transition piece for the wider flares
The apparent increased lift (may be springs, may be spacers, we don’t know for sure yet)

Selecting the 33” M/T on the BL is just the wheels (+55mm) and tires. But there’s 5 of each, so that price is actually pretty good for that type of upgrade. (just for clarification, the optional wheels are “beadlock capable” meaning they aren’t actually beadlocks until you add the additional beadlock kit)

If you really want the M/T tires, but don’t want 35’s, I say select the optional M/T on the BL. If you want 35” tires, squatch is a good deal.

If you want the standard BL and just want to swap out wheels and tires for specific use, then okay... Just make sure you get the correct offset for whatever width tire you are looking to run.

 

[Thomas1984]

Read my comment again then, don’t hate! Or troll!

you

I’m not talking about diameter. My point doesn’t matter whether the tire is 33,34,35... what matters is width...

Here’s what you originally wrote and my reply:

I was making it clear that one can not simply state that 35’s fit on a badlands no problem... there is a problem with *width*, and people need to be mindful of that, and we need to be clear about what we are communicating.

What I don’t appreciate is you editing your original post and then telling me to go back and read it again, implying I misread it the first time.

I’m done.

Man your taking me wrong, that’s not what I meant of course I edited it, it’s different then before, the Sasquatch has 315 and a different wheel offset because of the width that’s why fifteen52 has a -0 so you can fit 35x12.5x17

 

[De Brus]

I’m not talking about diameter. My point doesn’t matter whether the tire is 33,34,35... what matters is width...

Here’s what you originally wrote and my reply:

I was making it clear that one can not simply state that 35’s fit on a badlands no problem... there is a problem with *width*, and people need to be mindful of that, and we need to be clear about what we are communicating.

What I don’t appreciate is you editing your original post and then telling me to go back and read it again, implying I misread it the first time.

I’m done.

 

[rainman23]

I have no idea what Sas does or doesn’t add to a Badlands (and neither does anyone definitively as this has been discussed a lot), but think of this; why would Ford offer a package with 35s when you could just get your own later? From a financial POV that makes no sense.

 

[De Brus]

I have no idea what Sas does or doesn’t add to a Badlands (and neither does anyone definitively as this has been discussed a lot), but think of this; why would Ford offer a package with 35s when you could just get your own later? From a financial POV that makes no sense.

Did you not read Post #3? That's pretty definitive, minus the lift unknowns (although Ford said 10mm difference).

 

[rainman23]

Did you not read Post #3? That's pretty definitive, minus the lift unknowns (although Ford said 10mm difference).

I see what you’re saying. I wasn’t trying to argue with you. Just saying that I don’t think 35s will fit on BL without any issues. It doesn’t make financial or mechanical sense. Sorry if I came off trying to argue.

 

[SnowBronco]

 

[John Bronco_ I am here]

Read my comment again then, don’t hate! Or troll! Your again comparing a mud terrain 35” tire compared to an 35” All terrain tire both have different lugs, you can get a 315 Nitto ridge grappler but it is smaller then a 35” ridge grappler, It’s a little bit shorter and not as wide. It would be a 34.5x 12.00 x 17 that sir is facts!

Usually 35" tires are NOT 35". To the topic at hand, does .35 really make a difference? A few PSI either way will change that and sidewall stiffness of a particular model will also make a difference in actual real-world height.

https://tiresize.com/tires/Nitto/Ridge-Grappler.htm

LT 315/70R17 121/118Q E BSW	34.41"	12.72"	8-11"	9.5"	16.4/32"	E	3195/2910 lbs	65 psi	70.8 lbs	604
LT 33X12.50R17 120Q E BSW	32.76"	12.52"	8.5-11"	10"	18.3/32"	E	3085 lbs	65 psi	69.32 lbs	634
LT 35X12.50R17 121Q E BSW	34.76"	12.52"	8.5-11"	10"	18.3/32"	E	3195 lbs	65 psi	75.4 lbs	598

These charts the manufactures put out are very useful as a 35" or 37" or whatever size are NOMINAL sizes. Even a tire from the same manufacture, same model, and same nominal size can vary even from the rim diameter.

Anyone that generalizes and says a "315" is smaller than a 35" tire will soon be "corrected" because there is not a standardized actual specific tire size, just a standardized range for a nominal size. All parties have to be talking about apples to apples, specific tire and model, to be "correct" or not.

 

[Thomas1984]

Usually 35" tires are NOT 35". To the topic at hand, does .35 really make a difference? A few PSI either way will change that and sidewall stiffness of a particular model will also make a difference in actual real-world height.

https://tiresize.com/tires/Nitto/Ridge-Grappler.htm

LT 315/70R17 121/118Q E BSW	34.41"	12.72"	8-11"	9.5"	16.4/32"	E	3195/2910 lbs	65 psi	70.8 lbs	604
LT 33X12.50R17 120Q E BSW	32.76"	12.52"	8.5-11"	10"	18.3/32"	E	3085 lbs	65 psi	69.32 lbs	634
LT 35X12.50R17 121Q E BSW	34.76"	12.52"	8.5-11"	10"	18.3/32"	E	3195 lbs	65 psi	75.4 lbs	598

These charts the manufactures put out are very useful as a 35" or 37" or whatever size are NOMINAL sizes. Even a tire from the same manufacture, same model, and same nominal size can vary even from the rim diameter.

Anyone that generalizes and says a "315" is smaller than a 35" tire will soon be "corrected" because there is not a standardized actual specific tire size, just a standardized range for a nominal size. All parties have to be talking about apples to apples, specific tire and model, to be "correct" or not.

We’re all done talking about this man I’ll show you 35” tires on a badlands very soon!!

 

[John Bronco_ I am here]

We’re all done talking about this man I’ll show you 35” tires on a badlands very soon!!

I'm really glad you are done talking about it. However, this is the internet and people share the information resource. When one is in school one often hears "there are no stupid questions". What this means is there is very seldom a wasteful question (a serious question at least) because others can learn from the "stupid" question that was posed.

Tire and rim sizes are not some black arts. With some research anyone can understand the measurements and not have to call someone to find out.

 

[Happytown]

The second two numbers in tire size play off of the width in determining the tires diameter. 315 is tire width. The Diameter of a 315 width tire could be anything (within reason). Most tire sites explain this beautifully, I can't beat them, google it if you are unfamiliar.

Reason not to destroy me/disclaimer: I Didn't see this point mentioned in the above dumpster fire, I will give benefit of doubt to all parties involved, yall probably all know this. Posted for those who might be following along who would assume 315 somehow equals a certain tire diameter.

 

[Cliff]

... You also probably need a bit of a lift or bigger bump stops to stop the wheel from hitting during max up travel. There is a reason Sasquatch has bigger bump stops, more lift, and less offset than Badlands.

Interesting, I was talking to one of the bronco drivers at the event in TN, he said Ford only had restricted the up-travel and work on the offset to make the 35's work on the BL... no changes to lift were needed. I assume that is why you can have a BL with 285/70 MT's and bead lock rims then add a Sasquatch package for only $805... (its just the tires, similar rims and 4.7 gearing).

Do you have a link with some specs I can research. If there really is that much different, it would be better to order the sasquatch and buy after market 33" AT tires and wheels.

 

[Cliff]

I got the same info! He also said Ford restricts the up travel of the wheel rather than lifting the vehicle. So a stock BL actually has more wheel travel than a sasquatch!!! He is getting a non-squatched BL and adding a set of 285/75's to go from the stock 32.7" to 33.8"...

NOTE: A sasquatch is 34.4"

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