Why do we hate Auto Start/Stop so much?

[Im64Bit]

Imagine the idea was introduced by the starter motor manufactures so they can increase the starter replacement business. I personally hate it, but happy it turns off when in 4x4 mode.

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[Cav427]

lol the ozone hole closed up because Australia clamped down on emissions. And acid rain stopped in Europe because they stopped using dirty diesel. They changed their behavior and fixed things.

So you are proving the point that, if there is a a concern, and we change our behavior, we fix the problem so well that we don’t have to talk about it anymore?

I remember that, sheila's and a few blokes stopped using hairspray and viola! the ozone hole miraculously disappeared. We all need to offer thanks to algore!

Seriously though, solar storms create havoc and more than likely contributed to the hole.

 

[Sherminiator]

This thread is a great example of what the internet does best-allowing you to see people’s absolute shitty takes on things they have no idea of what they are talking about.

 

[Lcubed]

I remember that, sheila's and a few blokes stopped using hairspray and viola! the ozone hole miraculously disappeared. We all need to offer thanks to algore!

actually, a lot of sheila's and large populations of people not using CFC's made this happen very successfully.

 

[Cav427]

This thread is a great example of what the internet does best-allowing you to see people’s absolute shitty takes on things they have no idea of what they are talking about.

Isn't a vast amount of anthropogenic global warming information dispersed on the internet as well?

Science is not consensus. Most breakthroughs have come from divergent opinions. In fact we would not have modern chemistry without it. We would not have nuclear power, we would not have evolutionary science or even open heart surgery if scientists only went with the consensus of the time.

Most who don't subscribe to "global warming" do not believe in trashing the planet.

I disagree with them based on actual science. I respect your opinion but disagree. All you have offered is CO2 is bad and others say so.

I will admit several good things have occurred as a result of environmentalism in the automotive world:

1) Elimination of leaded gasoline
2) More efficient engines, both in fuel usage and horsepower production
3) More robust vehicles able to last longer with less maintenance

All of these benefit me as a consumer.

However CO2 is needed, and is neither a symptom nor cause of global warming. H2O clouds serve to reflect sunlight, not trap heat in. Sea levels are failing to rise. The people who push anthropomorphic global warming the most, live seaside in spite of their own rising seas narrative.

Thinking auto stop start is saving the planet is simply preposterous, and at most only serves to increase fuel economy ever so slightly.

Buying a disabler this week. Prepare for more hurricanes and better get sunscreen.

 

[Cav427]

actually, a lot of sheila's and large populations of people not using CFC's made this happen very successfully.

CFC Molecules are actually heavier than air... also still used today. Also they last for decades and centuries. 16,000,000 million or more thunderstorms per year create lots of ozone.

Big benefit though, pump sprayers, more active ingredients.

 

[Sherminiator]

Isn't a vast amount of anthropogenic global warming information dispersed on the internet as well?

Science is not consensus. Most breakthroughs have come from divergent opinions. In fact we would not have modern chemistry without it. We would not have nuclear power, we would not have evolutionary science or even open heart surgery if scientists only went with the consensus of the time.

Most who don't subscribe to "global warming" do not believe in trashing the planet.

I disagree with them based on actual science. I respect your opinion but disagree. All you have offered is CO2 is bad and others say so.

I will admit several good things have occurred as a result of environmentalism in the automotive world:

1) Elimination of leaded gasoline
2) More efficient engines, both in fuel usage and horsepower production
3) More robust vehicles able to last longer with less maintenance

All of these benefit me as a consumer.

However CO2 is needed, and is neither a symptom nor cause of global warming. H2O clouds serve to reflect sunlight, not trap heat in. Sea levels are failing to rise. The people who push anthropomorphic global warming the most, live seaside in spite of their own rising seas narrative.

Thinking auto stop start is saving the planet is simply preposterous, and at most only serves to increase fuel economy ever so slightly.

Buying a disabler this week. Prepare for more hurricanes and better get sunscreen.

Isn't a vast amount of anthropogenic global warming information dispersed on the internet as well?

Science is not consensus. Most breakthroughs have come from divergent opinions. In fact we would not have modern chemistry without it. We would not have nuclear power, we would not have evolutionary science or even open heart surgery if scientists only went with the consensus of the time.

Most who don't subscribe to "global warming" do not believe in trashing the planet.

I disagree with them based on actual science. I respect your opinion but disagree. All you have offered is CO2 is bad and others say so.

I will admit several good things have occurred as a result of environmentalism in the automotive world:

1) Elimination of leaded gasoline
2) More efficient engines, both in fuel usage and horsepower production
3) More robust vehicles able to last longer with less maintenance

All of these benefit me as a consumer.

However CO2 is needed, and is neither a symptom nor cause of global warming. H2O clouds serve to reflect sunlight, not trap heat in. Sea levels are failing to rise. The people who push anthropomorphic global warming the most, live seaside in spite of their own rising seas narrative.

Thinking auto stop start is saving the planet is simply preposterous, and at most only serves to increase fuel economy ever so slightly.

Buying a disabler this week. Prepare for more hurricanes and better get sunscreen.

Isn't a vast amount of anthropogenic global warming information dispersed on the internet as well?

Science is not consensus. Most breakthroughs have come from divergent opinions. In fact we would not have modern chemistry without it. We would not have nuclear power, we would not have evolutionary science or even open heart surgery if scientists only went with the consensus of the time.

Most who don't subscribe to "global warming" do not believe in trashing the planet.

I disagree with them based on actual science. I respect your opinion but disagree. All you have offered is CO2 is bad and others say so.

I will admit several good things have occurred as a result of environmentalism in the automotive world:

1) Elimination of leaded gasoline
2) More efficient engines, both in fuel usage and horsepower production
3) More robust vehicles able to last longer with less maintenance

All of these benefit me as a consumer.

However CO2 is needed, and is neither a symptom nor cause of global warming. H2O clouds serve to reflect sunlight, not trap heat in. Sea levels are failing to rise. The people who push anthropomorphic global warming the most, live seaside in spite of their own rising seas narrative.

Thinking auto stop start is saving the planet is simply preposterous, and at most only serves to increase fuel economy ever so slightly.

Buying a disabler this week. Prepare for more hurricanes and better get sunscreen.

All I have to say is thank you for proving my point…and your post has almost nothing to do with ASS.

 

[Cav427]

All I have to say is thank you for proving my point…and your post has almost nothing to do with ASS.

Actually the fact they are putting it in there for for sacrifice to the the global warming gods annoys me. Your opinion on global warming had nothing to do with ASS as well. You have not changed my opinion, nor have I changed yours. Have a good day.

 

[JC2DR]

7MT = Sport Mode

Did I mention I have a 7MT?

 

[Shazamalingo]

Meanwhile now India and China emit more pollution as we speak than most countries combined

Also we’d have Diesel Broncos instead of this ev/hybrid push.
Harley Davidson and Hyundai did the same as VW did during Dieselgate and they got a slap on the wrist rather than crucified. Did anyone die from Dieselgate now?

Literally none of those “predictions” you point to were ever made by the scientific community at large.

It’s all just propaganda.

 

[Shazamalingo]

I remember that, sheila's and a few blokes stopped using hairspray and viola! the ozone hole miraculously disappeared. We all need to offer thanks to algore!

Seriously though, solar storms create havoc and more than likely contributed to the hole.

For sure there was a natural cause. But Australia also pulled it together.

 

[PWillette]

Did I mention I have a 7MT?

No but you're avatar does! Where you at in Maine?

 

[XirallicBolts]

I do like all the comments about "I need to be in CONTROL of my car, dang it."
Do you get mad at variable valve timing and spark advance? Would you rather have a manual choke and little levers to control the turbo wastegates yourself?

Hot-restarting an ASS-equipped vehicle is not the same as cold-starting your old 95 Dodge Ram. For one thing, the starter pinion engages as the vehicle comes to a stop. This + more advanced fuel injection strategies greatly reduces the wear on the engine during an ASSrestart. These aren't old analog engines with a thermal strip for a turbo timer.

Let's be honest, how often are you guys really replacing starters in modern vehicles? How many engines are seeing early failure due to premature wear rather than an outright design defects (like the valve issues)?

Some of the replies here show how ill-informed people can be about it. "The ASS electronics are just another thing to fail" -- you mean the ECU? "It shut off every time I creep forward" It literally doesn't, by design. If you're anticipating needing to set off quickly for a roundabout, you can quickly blip the brakes to restart the engine ahead of time.

Something like 98% of cars being sold today have ASS. It's not legally mandated, it's not some big planned-obsolescence strategy, there isn't a deep state conspiracy covering up the lack of engine wear evidence. It's an easy and effective way to improve efficiency. No, Scotty Kilmer is not a reliable source.

True, some cars can be pretty obnoxious with it. My Silverado is way too aggressive about kicking it in. But it still works.


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If only there was a way to default to Sport Mode. I don't like being on the clock having to press the steering OK button every time when starting, especially when the steering wheel is turned and I'm pressing the wrong button. Or having to mess with a dial at every start. Has anyone found a hack to automatically start in Sport Mode?

I did something with an Arduino that simulates pressing [OKAY] every time I start the car, but I don't know what the requirements are. It works on my OBX SAS Lux, but not on a Basesquatch someone else tried. It monitors several canbus messages to try determining when the car is started, and apparently one of the messages isn't present on his car.

Someday I'll see if there's also a way to simulate pressing the ASS button, really just depends which network that front panel is on. Did something similar on my Milan to automatically kick in heated seats / defrost when I use remote start.

 

[CarGuy]

This thread is quickly approaching the need for a therapy pony

 

[nameuser]

Definitely an age thing.
Every time it shuts off I flashback to 1968. My 60 Comet dying at a light and no buddies riding with me to either push start or push it off of the road.

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