Compared to a Defender - some general thoughts and concerns.

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I played around a bit more on the LR site late last night trying to come up with a Defender build that would suit me, but I just can’t seem to stay under 60K (which will be my goal if I don’t go with a loaded 4-door Badlands)
Same! And that is just too much for me to spend. If I gotta think this hard about it, then it's out of my price range so I'm sticking with the Bronco.





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I test drove the new defender with both engines, as well as a 2020 JLU Jeep.
Let me tell you this:

- The Jeep road noise is awful and the Defender was super quiet at 80mph. Quieter than most recent cars I have been in.

- The Defender ride is insanely confortable on road, almost no body roll and flies over road imperfections, all due to the excellent air suspension. The Jeep ride was harsh and unpleasant

- It is absolutely false that the Bronco has better off road capability than a defender. A base defender still has 11.5” clearance, and far superior angles than any Bronco except Sasquatch. If you look on YouTube you will see the defender doing crazy shits than most people will never try in their life wether they have a Bronco or a Defender. It’s more than capable. The only trim that can beat the defender offroad is a Badlands Squatch. With equal clearance but better articulation(sway bar disco) and front locker.

I have the same need as you I do long road trips across western USA, that involve 90% road then 10% of off-roading to reach remote wild places where a Subaru can’t go. Plus it’s also my DD. The Defender is the dream vehicle for that. The only reason I am not getting one is because of poor reliability and extreme depreciation (as seen on any luxury SUV) which makes the cost of ownership awful.

Give me one modern platform for sale that can do the above? I don’t see any other than the Bronco. I hate Toyota/Lexus design and the fact they are old platforms, also hate the way they drive.
TBH the best car for me is probably the Bronco Sport Badlands with 1” lift and bigger tires, that puts it at 10” clearance with rear lockers and all the confort features and quiet ride and stuff for less than a Big bend. But it’s a bit too small.

I am still on the fence but as of now I do not have a better option than the Bronco. I fully expect it drives better on road than the Jeep but noise will be the same shit. I wished they made a non removable top version with SUV like noise insulation.
Would the new Jeep Grand Cherokee work for your needs?
 

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I’ve been cross shopping the defender and bronco for a month now. My defender build with the P300 comes in at 58.5k and my badlands/wildtrak builds come in at a similar price.

I drove the P300 and P400 and the P300 had more than enough power for highway and Offroad (might struggle towing something heavy).

The interior on the defender is super nice and very usable, yet rugged at the same time. Very quite and comfortable on the highway. Felt very well built.

I almost put a order in on a D110 today but I worry most about the depreciation. I’m going to keep my bronco order and keep my eyes on used defender prices to see what happens there.
 

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I’ve been cross shopping the defender and bronco for a month now. My defender build with the P300 comes in at 58.5k and my badlands/wildtrak builds come in at a similar price.

I drove the P300 and P400 and the P300 had more than enough power for highway and Offroad (might struggle towing something heavy).

The interior on the defender is super nice and very usable, yet rugged at the same time. Very quite and comfortable on the highway. Felt very well built.

I almost put a order in on a D110 today but I worry most about the depreciation. I’m going to keep my bronco order and keep my eyes on used defender prices to see what happens there.
New Smoking Tire video review just released where they FLOG this thing. Hard to resist...


Does reliability, a convertible top, and lower price mean more than day to day comfort? It's a hard question.

Sure would be nice to have some independent video reviews of the Bronco...

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Additional podcast where the same guys discuss Defender vs. Bronco/Wrangler, etc. Sounds like press cars for the Bronco Sport aren't available until March...

 
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New Smoking Tire video review just released where they FLOG this thing. Hard to resist...


Does reliability, a convertible top, and lower price mean more than day to day comfort? It's a hard question.

Sure would be nice to have some independent video reviews of the Bronco...
I watched that! It looked like a blast.
 

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New Smoking Tire video review just released where they FLOG this thing. Hard to resist...


Does reliability, a convertible top, and lower price mean more than day to day comfort? It's a hard question.

Sure would be nice to have some independent video reviews of the Bronco...
For me it’s more the unknown on depreciation that scares me away. The discovery has terrible 3 year depreciation and I think the defender will do better but I don’t know. I don’t want to lose 12-15k over 2 years
 

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For me it’s more the unknown on depreciation that scares me away. The discovery has terrible 3 year depreciation and I think the defender will do better but I don’t know. I don’t want to lose 12-15k over 2 years
Serious response: It'll totally be a thing. You gotta accept being in it for a longer period of time, getting a warranty, etc.

Joking response: You have a Quad! Who cares?
 

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I drove the P300 and P400 and the P300 had more than enough power for highway and Offroad (might struggle towing something heavy).
Great to know. Thanks. Going to test drive the P300 tomorrow to see if what it feels like on the highway. I certainly believe I could be VERY happy with the towing capacity afforded by the P300 engine spec (7,716 pounds) vs the P400 max towing capacity of 8,201 pounds.

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I placed my order on Monday for a Pangea green P400 SE... should be here in 12-15 weeks. I’m very excited that I’ll be able to wheel this summer in the ozarks and take my week long trip to Colorado in September for more mountain pass fun!
 

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My only Land Rover was a 1997 Defender. Never had a single problem the five years I owned it. Bought it new for $35k and sold it for $37k, thinking I’d done good. If I wanted to buy it back today, it would probably be north of $137K! So much for depreciation! I loved that vehicle. Very capable off road, but also much nicer than a Jeep on the road. Wish I’d never sold it.

The Grenadier looks interesting and a near clone of that car, but who knows when it will hit the US, let alone getting maintenance.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/202...-look-land-rover-defender-style-off-road-suv/

I like the 2-door Bronco as it’s the closest utilitarian look to the old Defender, as well as the open air top. I don’t need the optional
Espresso machine from the modern LR.
 

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I placed my order on Monday for a Pangea green P400 SE... should be here in 12-15 weeks. I’m very excited that I’ll be able to wheel this summer in the ozarks and take my week long trip to Colorado in September for more mountain pass fun!
Congrats! If I do end up going the Defender route, Pangea Green with white top would be my top choice. Great color! Enjoy your adventures!
 

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We got a 3 year old lease return LR4 in immaculate condition for a little under 50% original MSRP. Love it so far. Great thing is a lot of these are going to be grannied for 3 years and will depreciate tremendously. Will be able to pick up a bargain if willing to wait.
 

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I looked at Defenders build and price last month and several times before that and it only showed a first edition 90 for 65k.
Now they show many models and the first edition is 76k and thats the cheapest one with the air suspension.
What did I miss?
 

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I looked at Defenders build and price last month and several times before that and it only showed a first edition 90 for 65k.
Now they show many models and the first edition is 76k and thats the cheapest one with the air suspension.
What did I miss?
The 90 comes standard with coil suspension on most models but air suspension can be optioned in. Air suspension is standard on the 110.
 

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