10R60 (not 10R80) 10-speed automatic transmission for 2021 Bronco [update: confirmed in Ford parts system]

[Stampede.Offroad]

Honestly, we just don't know one way or another until we start driving - and drive more than 8000 miles (per TDS).

What has me is that we were told something by the engineers and experts only to find that it's not. If the 10R60 is good enough to race with, then it's good enough for me to feel confident to last with my off-roading and normal driving. However, Ford chose the 10R80 to race and say it's the transmission used in the production Bronco. So what is it? We just don't know because Ford is not racing with the 10R60.

Ford's mixed messages and poor communication on this is probably the biggest problem.

Telling us it has the 80 repeatedly then saying nothing when it is revealed it may actually have the 60 is concerning.

Even of the 60 was adequate, why would we believe them now? They would be incentivised to lie.

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[BroncoBoi2020!]

I just left the Off-Rodeo in Texas. I drove a 2 door Badlands with Sasquatch for about 2.5 hours. The 10r60 felt perfectly fine, I couldn’t feel any difference between it and the 10r80s that I’ve driven. The trails were pretty hardcore in some spots, trans temp never went over 195°.

 

[Lab00Rat]

I just left the Off-Rodeo in Texas. I drove a 2 door Badlands with Sasquatch for about 2.5 hours. The 10r60 felt perfectly fine, I couldn’t feel any difference between it and the 10r80s that I’ve driven. The trails were pretty hardcore in some spots, trans temp never went over 195°.



Not sure if I’m allowed to post links, but I didn’t feel like posting all these images. These things are extremely capable and well put together.

So, based on your observations, we can expect about 75k miles before breakdown... Seems about inline for most transmissions.
Although subjective - here is a temp to failure correlation.

source:
http://www.txchange.com/heatchrt.htm

 

[BroncoBoi2020!]

If you’re going to be averaging 1-10 mph for you first 75k miles in 90° Texas heat, then yes.

 

[North7]

So, based on your observations, we can expect about 75k miles before breakdown... Seems about inline for most transmissions.
Although subjective - here is a temp to failure correlation.

source:
http://www.txchange.com/heatchrt.htm

Most driving will not be that extreme in most day to day situations, no you will not hit 195 degrees driving to work and shopping, relax.

 

[L8apex]

So, based on your observations, we can expect about 75k miles before breakdown... Seems about inline for most transmissions.
Although subjective - here is a temp to failure correlation.

source:
http://www.txchange.com/heatchrt.htm

75K miles of slippage off-road would be a hard life on any transmission. Expect those temperatures to drop significantly on road.

 

[North7]

 

[jay-rod427]

1980 called. They want their chart back.

195 or there abouts is what the trans will run in all scenarios once it's up to operating temp. It has an internal thermostat to get it there before it circulates through the cooler.

Also side note that chart is extra dumb because it refers to fluid failure........ due to heat.......

It does not account for all the variations in trans manufacturers selected fluid. IE: Ford's pink water known as Low Viscosity. It's designed to operate at 195 all day every day.

Now back to your regularly schedule programming of thinking your 4,500 lb bronco with 3,500 towing capacity needs the 5,500lb F150 transmission that can tow 12,000+ lbs. And if you tune your Bronco 1 ft/lb past the "rating" it will spontaneously explode.

 

[BroncoTX]

Yeah I need to sort through all these comments, but if any given transmission isn't lasting 100k miles at least, then it's garbage. That chart above is silly.

I've driven my Mazda CX-5 pretty hard for 125k miles, street, Texas highways, zipping around, sometimes 80+ mph for hours on the interstate.

The transmission is working just fine, and with no fluid change (not required yet).

I would be highly disappointed if a Ford transmission were to have any significant trans issues in 100k.

 

[L8apex]

Best ad hominem ever:

Lately I've been feeling more like Kevin Bacon on this site.

 

[GotGOAT]

I understand Webasto will be handling all Bronco warranty repairs

It’s okay I heard Webasto is a “Top” outfit!

 

[da_jokker]

Keep bickering, this thread needs to be locked anyway.

 

[Thane]

So, based on your observations, we can expect about 75k miles before breakdown... Seems about inline for most transmissions.
Although subjective - here is a temp to failure correlation.

source:
http://www.txchange.com/heatchrt.htm

This chart is hilarious, looks like a child with powerpoint, no understand of scale, or log, or linear distribution.

I have to go get my transmission replaced since it has 145K original miles and is overdue, yet somehow still operational...

 

[swooshdave]

And if you tune your Bronco 1 ft/lb past the "rating" it will spontaneously explode.

It's not appropriate to have a Ford product and explode in the same sentence.

 

[The Pope]

I just left the Off-Rodeo in Texas. I drove a 2 door Badlands with Sasquatch for about 2.5 hours. The 10r60 felt perfectly fine, I couldn’t feel any difference between it and the 10r80s that I’ve driven. The trails were pretty hardcore in some spots, trans temp never went over 195°.

So....... you Know that it was equipped with the 10r60???? If so..... how did you come to such knowledge??? Did someone tell you or did you crawl up-under and visually identify it or from some other method of identification?

I'm in no way saying that it wasn't a 10r60, just asking for How It Was Determined To Actually Be a 10r60.

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