Technophobes: How Scared Is Too Scared?

[indio22]

Your missing the point-Ford isn't concerned about used car sales since they don't make money on them. The design components that should generally last 150K miles or about 10 years, which is reasonable for someone buying a new car. What happens after that really isn't of much concern to Ford itself.

I don't think I missed the point. You said you didn't care about parts breaking down the road, because you buy new cars and unload the old ones. I pointed out some people (me included) do care and buy or hang onto older cars. (I've had my 1985 Jeep several decades.) Whatever Ford or any other maker does or does not do in terms of how they design longevity of vehicles and components is what it is. But as buyers, people can clearly have different use cases and needs from their vehicles. And having less complicated and pricey components to malfunction and pay for down the road when warranty is over, can be a plus for people who buy used or hang onto vehicles.

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[indio22]

By the way, since a subject was auto start/stop - the current Jeep JL Wrangler has a couple different auto start/stop implementations. For the BSG variety, below is a link to the $1,063.33 48v battery replacement! Of course probably by the time 8 years rolls around, if the battery fails there will be cheaper alternatives. (And the person who unloaded it will not care after warranty.)

But the guy who eventually gets hold of the rig down the road, could be in for potentially expensive battery replacements, not to mention issues with various ancillaries. For example, this JL has a battery cooling system with various components, which could start calling a later owner's name, lol.

https://www.factorychryslerparts.co...lt-Starter-Generator/13254545/68381513AA.html

 

[BroncoMike]

Your missing the point-Ford isn't concerned about used car sales since they don't make money on them. The design components that should generally last 150K miles or about 10 years, which is reasonable for someone buying a new car. What happens after that really isn't of much concern to Ford itself.

Except in the realm of resale value. Taken to the logical extreme, a vehicle that is worth nothing at 150k has less appeal to a secondhand buyer at 100k or even 75k. Lots of people buying new cars have *zero* cognizance of residual value 5-8 years hence, but for marques with notoriously good resale value, it's a legitimate selling point for savvy buyers. When a person returns to the dealer to trade in their car, only to find it's worth substantially less than their remaining note, it can negatively alter their perception of value in the brand.

I'm of the belief that most of the principal mechanical and electrical systems in production today are extremely robust and will last a very long time. It's the smaller parts and pieces that fail and cause expensive headaches. Someone mentioned blend doors, which are an assache to replace. Another example: 2015 Explorer shift mechanism, kept going crazy with "shift vehicle to park" warnings when trying to start it - wouldn't allow it to start without monkeying with the shifter for sometimes minutes. Dealer price to replace entire shifter mechanism was $600, and a LOT of people paid it. Someone online (Edge forum, I believe, as it affected them as well) found it was a $4.00 micro switch available from an electronics supply house (but not from Ford). About an hour's worth of digging in the console and removing a tiny pin switch, soldering the new one in, and done. $600, really? And almost as bad, burying a $4.00 part under $90 of labor? I bet dealers unnecessarily replaced hundreds of shifter mechanisms, just blowing it off and passing the cost along to owners. That behavior will change brand loyalty faster than needing a new starter at 150k.

 

[OX1]

Except in the realm of resale value.

In late 09 we bought a left over base auto Impreza with sticker of $17.5K, it was the cheapest AWD vehicle made that still had relatively
decent HP for it's size (2.5, 170 Hp I think). Didn't want to put big money in something that would have 150K on it in 4 years.

In 14, traded that for our first Escape. Got $5200 without even trying very hard with 148K on it. Personally, I thought the car
was generally a POS, superloud on highway and sparce, but I guess the general public loves even the old one's.

 

[PAPA old school]

just today, Hackett the CEO big boss of Ford made a great announcement that he wants to let consumers perhaps decide what they want/don’t want in their car. Or just that they are going to cut back on total count of under used tech in general for the cars.

http://fordauthority.com/2019/12/ford-ceo-jim-hackett-says-car-prices-cant-keep-rising-forever/

Thats wonderful news, There is a limit to where people will spend. it's no longer theirs a new car in every driveway, It has gotten to There is a new car on the street or in the neighborhood. And everyone is wondering when they will come and get it. As i get older , medical bills and insurance is more important than that NEW ride. But then again i dont fit in that demographic featured of 29 years compaired to the 9 years. change the figures to 10 year increments and you will see the real numbers

 

[PAPA old school]

By the way, since a subject was auto start/stop - the current Jeep JL Wrangler has a couple different auto start/stop implementations. For the BSG variety, below is a link to the $1,063.33 48v battery replacement! Of course probably by the time 8 years rolls around, if the battery fails there will be cheaper alternatives. (And the person who unloaded it will not care after warranty.)

But the guy who eventually gets hold of the rig down the road, could be in for potentially expensive battery replacements, not to mention issues with various ancillaries. For example, this JL has a battery cooling system with various components, which could start calling a later owner's name, lol.

https://www.factorychryslerparts.co...lt-Starter-Generator/13254545/68381513AA.html

By the way, since a subject was auto start/stop - the current Jeep JL Wrangler has a couple different auto start/stop implementations. For the BSG variety, below is a link to the $1,063.33 48v battery replacement! Of course probably by the time 8 years rolls around, if the battery fails there will be cheaper alternatives. (And the person who unloaded it will not care after warranty.)

But the guy who eventually gets hold of the rig down the road, could be in for potentially expensive battery replacements, not to mention issues with various ancillaries. For example, this JL has a battery cooling system with various components, which could start calling a later owner's name, lol.

https://www.factorychryslerparts.co...lt-Starter-Generator/13254545/68381513AA.html

That will be the day i would say im out of here, nice to know this info. Son just bought a new chevy silverado with start/stop. he hates it. there is an overide switch, but who wants to screw with that all the time. dod you see the core charge was 1500 also, 2500 for a new battery if you dont have a core , looks like there worth more that Catalitic converters, they will be stealing these next.

 

[Fosters]

Your missing the point-Ford isn't concerned about used car sales since they don't make money on them. The design components that should generally last 150K miles or about 10 years, which is reasonable for someone buying a new car. What happens after that really isn't of much concern to Ford itself.

If you don't think they care what happens after that, you should ask them how they feel about the 6.0 and 6.4 diesels... and the beating they took on the superduty image and sales because of those engines.

 

[Stampede.Offroad]

Your missing the point-Ford isn't concerned about used car sales since they don't make money on them. ...

I guarantee you they care. When people's trade ins are worthless its going to have a huge impact on future sales. There are brands, like Jeep and Toyota who make competitors in this segment, who have a big boost to brand image because of the resale value of their product.

This is one of the reasons I have hope for some of the features I want to see in the Bronco, because the traits that boost the lasting image and resale will also be some of the possible reasons I would want to buy one and keep it.

 

[Ride Em Bronco]

just today, Hackett the CEO big boss of Ford made a great announcement that he wants to let consumers perhaps decide what they want/don’t want in their car. Or just that they are going to cut back on total count of under used tech in general for the cars.

Mr Hackett - no electric tailgate please:

2017-19 Ford Super Duty trucks recalled for tailgates that could open


https://www.yahoo.com/autos/news/2017-19-ford-super-duty-144900942.html

 

[Stampede.Offroad]

...
Mr Hackett - no electric tailgate please:

2017-19 Ford Super Duty trucks recalled for tailgates that could open

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/news/2017-19-ford-super-duty-144900942.html

Score one for the antiquated 'new' Ranger, it's still running one of those barbaric manually operated tailgates.

 

[wjfawb0 [hacked account]]

I say this all the time on car forums, but the best features of my 2015 JK Wrangler Rubicon are: manual windows, manual locks, manual transmission, manual transfer case, manual ignition. Not many new vehicles are that interesting to me.

 

[Sherminiator]

By the way, since a subject was auto start/stop - the current Jeep JL Wrangler has a couple different auto start/stop implementations. For the BSG variety, below is a link to the $1,063.33 48v battery replacement! Of course probably by the time 8 years rolls around, if the battery fails there will be cheaper alternatives. (And the person who unloaded it will not care after warranty.)

But the guy who eventually gets hold of the rig down the road, could be in for potentially expensive battery replacements, not to mention issues with various ancillaries. For example, this JL has a battery cooling system with various components, which could start calling a later owner's name, lol.

https://www.factorychryslerparts.co...lt-Starter-Generator/13254545/68381513AA.html

You do know that the 48V battery is actually a "light" hybrid design, not your typical stop/start that is found on a normal gas engine?

 

[indio22]

You do know that the 48V battery is actually a "light" hybrid design, not your typical stop/start that is found on a normal gas engine?

I don't think I commented on the battery internal design, rather I was pointing out the cost. We'll see what the cost is later out of warranty. As mentioned there are various components to these systems including on some designs a cooling system with pump and hoses for the battery. Realty is it's added complexity, things to potentially go wrong, and pay for down the road. For some people who unload vehicles early that won't really matter, other than possible inconvenience if the systems need repair during warranty. For other longer term users, they could be cursing at this stuff down the road.

 

[Sherminiator]

I don't think I commented on the battery internal design, rather I was pointing out the cost. We'll see what the cost is later out of warranty. As mentioned there are various components to these systems including on some designs a cooling system with pump and hoses for the battery. Realty is it's added complexity, things to potentially go wrong, and pay for down the road. For some people who unload vehicles early that won't really matter, other than possible inconvenience if the systems need repair during warranty. For other longer term users, they could be cursing at this stuff down the road.

But thats the question-cars have gotten much more complex over the past 30 years and have been more reliable to boot. I remember my first car, before I owned it (my dad's old car) was a 1986 Escort GT-the ECU shit the bed on it. Anyways- roughly 34 years later, all of the new cars that my family have bought have never had an ECU go bad on them.

If anything, cars are far easier to operate (tune ups not as critical as they once where) with improvements in tech on them. My brother in law has a 10 year old Fusion Hybrid that still gets 38 or better MPG going to work.

The average age of a car is 11-12 years old-partly due those improvements. I had a 2006 Mustang GT that was almost flawless in operation the 12 years I had it. I even did 15K of damage to it when i rear ended someone after the first year I had it and it was still rock solid without any squeaks or other issues.

The bitching about pricing to me just sounds like hey want something cheap that is 10-15 years old-everything gets more expensive and cars even more so.

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