Bilstein HOSS & Position Sensitive Dampers Part Numbers & Differences

[North7]

Here are closeups of your photos to show coil spring spacing, do these look correct as far as which one is Banlands and which one is WT, FE & Sasquatch?

Badlands close spring spacing:

WT, FE & Sasquatch wider spring spacing

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[Erock]

Can we just get someone that’s going to these showings to just take one off and disassemble it and get pics and measurements? I need more info if I’m ever gonna get anything designed for it

 

[BearWithMe]

Interesting comment by itcysquatch about perch. Pittguy 1 seems to have a higher perch than pittguy 2. Maybe that is the difference from BL to Sas? It seems perch would be an easy way to get a little lift?

Y’all are getting fooled by the reservoir orientation. Focus on where the reservoir mounts to the shock body, not which end is up...

If anything, the squatch perch looks lower to me.

 

[dgorsett]

Y’all are getting fooled by the reservoir orientation. Focus on where the reservoir mounts to the shock body, not which end is up...

If anything, the squatch perch looks lower to me.

I mean the lower mounting bushing (irrelevant of the reservoir). Pittguy 1 seems higher than Pittguy 2

 

[North7]

Y’all are getting fooled by the reservoir orientation. Focus on where the reservoir mounts to the shock body, not which end is up...

If anything, the squatch perch looks lower to me.

I aligned and scaled these two photos to try and get an apples to apples comparison of the Badlands vs the WT, FE & SAS shocks.

Disclaimer: These photos were taken at different angles and heights so it is difficult to get a direct comparison. Further, as previously stated, these may be different generations of development shocks as can be seen with the two different reservoir mounting positions.

Based on the above, it seems there may be about a 0.3" difference in height between the two, with SAS being taller. This is close to the story some Ford reps have said there is a 0.4" difference in lift between the Badlands and WT, FE and Sasquatch.

 

[North7]

New photos of the stock suspension coil overs @MVP was able to get at the Los Angeles Galpin Ford Bronco Event.

 

[Happytown]

FWIW Here's what the 5100's on F150 look like. Mine are adjusted on max height (3rd ring position, which is hidden from view by the collar/perch). You can see the two other lower grooves.
IF it were adjusted onto one of the lower grooves, it's possible all three positions would be hidden.

PS Also wanted to add, compressing these things with a borrowed AutoZone spring compressor is an exercise not for the faint of heart. Its almost literally like setting a bear trap. The amount of force on those jack screws pulling the springs down in order to relax the collar is INCREDIBLE and has a severe pucker factor while working your hands around that thing. I'll never adjust mine myself again, I would probably bring it to a front end shop that has the machine for compressing these things.

 

[MVP]

New photos of the stock suspension coil overs @MVP was able to get at the Los Angeles Galpin Ford Bronco Event.

Thanks for the mention. I have a bunch more too. I tried my best to get deep in there.

 

[MVP]

FWIW Here's what the 5100's on F150 look like. Mine are adjusted on max height (3rd ring position, which is hidden from view by the collar/perch). You can see the two other lower grooves.
IF it were adjusted onto one of the lower grooves, it's possible all three positions would be hidden.

PS Also wanted to add, compressing these things with a borrowed AutoZone spring compressor is an exercise not for the faint of heart. Its almost literally like setting a bear trap. The amount of force on those jack screws pulling the springs down in order to relax the collar is INCREDIBLE and has a severe pucker factor while working your hands around that thing. I'll never adjust mine myself again, I would probably bring it to a front end shop that has the machine for compressing these things.

For more reference here is my Chevy Colorado with 6112 on front and 5160 rear. My front is on the third groove from the bottom out of ten grooves.

 

[BroncoChicken]

I've said this before, but I thought I'd add it to this thread. I talked with a suspension engineer that I saw here in Denver last year when they were conducting all the testing in the mountains. He explicitly said "there are only two suspensions, the HOSS (std B-OB) & the HOSS with position sensitive dampers (BL-FE & Sas). The BL gets the suspension from the Sasquatch package." Knowing what goes into the design of a suspension for a vehicle like this, I cannot imagine someone deciding to create a third suspension setup that is only .3-.4" different from another one. I also wouldn't trust that the marketing folks that are taking these things all over the country actually know. They get spec sheets and learn to repeat the information printed on them.

The heights listed by model in the spec sheets is where the .3-.4 difference came from, but I honestly think that it's either the difference in MIC top (std on WT) and soft top (std on BL) or the fact that 35" tires and 33" tires are not nominally 35" & 33". Maybe it's both, maybe it's neither.

 

[jay-rod427]

I've said this before, but I thought I'd add it to this thread. I talked with a suspension engineer that I saw here in Denver last year when they were conducting all the testing in the mountains. He explicitly said "there are only two suspensions, the HOSS (std B-OB) & the HOSS with position sensitive dampers (BL-FE & Sas). The BL gets the suspension from the Sasquatch package." Knowing what goes into the design of a suspension for a vehicle like this, I cannot imagine someone deciding to create a third suspension setup that is only .3-.4" different from another one. I also wouldn't trust that the marketing folks that are taking these things all over the country actually know. They get spec sheets and learn to repeat the information printed on them.

The heights listed by model in the spec sheets is where the .3-.4 difference came from, but I honestly think that it's either the difference in MIC top (std on WT) and soft top (std on BL) or the fact that 35" tires and 33" tires are not nominally 35" & 33". Maybe it's both, maybe it's neither.

I've been silently creeping these type threads, but I agree there is VERY likely only 2 versions. Commonality is the name of the game in mass production. Everyone thinking there is 3+ different shock/strut combos, and 3+ spring rate packages is just silly and wouldn't make bean counter sense from papa Ford.

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