Fumoto valve for Ford's plastic oil pans ... about damn time

[Raptor911]

2.3 has a metal oil pan so yes they do make one. I had one my Focus RS.

Do they make something like this for the 2.3L ?

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[RedHotFuzz]

Huh...interesting. I used to used a brass one on my TDI

I always use an extractor on my TDI. With the hood-accessible filter cartridge, oil changes are so simple. I hate having to get underneath a vehicle to do an oil change.

 

[redone17]

I always use an extractor on my TDI. With the hood-accessible filter cartridge, oil changes are so simple. I hate having to get underneath a vehicle to do an oil change.

Never went that route. It gets a decent amount of soot out?
It sure is a pain - especially with the heavy duty skid plate.

 

[BroncoBuckaroo]

So I have used the Fumoto valves on more than a dozen cars over the last 15 years and love their products. I have written and called them a few times over the last 2 years asking them to make a product for Ford's plastic oil pans. Well today, I received an email from them asking if I wanted to beta test their new product. Currently, my wife drives a 2018 Lariat with the plastic oil drain plug.

BTW .. this is important as the 2.7L and 3.0L (Bronco Raptor/Warthog) both have plastic oil drain plugs.

I hope I am selected because if this product comes to market then I am sure many 2.7L owners will be very happy.

See pic below.

I didn’t think the dual turbo version of the 2.7 used for the Bronco used the plastic pan... scratch ..it was the 3.5 that went back to aluminum.

 

[Razorbak86]

I didn’t think the dual turbo version of the 2.7 used for the Bronco used the plastic pan...

The 2.7L engine on the demo stand at Moab had a composite pan and plastic drain plug.

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/bronco-2-7l-engine-pictures-from-moab.14761/

 

[pan-y-cerveza]

Couldnt you make one with simple stuff from hardware store?
Pipe fitting,ball valve ,90 elbow.

You know damn good and well that no one builds anything anymore... get outta here with that nonsense.

Edit: next you’ll expect folks to add a barb and piece of hose to drain it directly into an old oil jug... WTH

You could. Finding a two-step ball valve with the correct threading could be tough. Machining your own would be a fair bit of labour.


This is one product I certainly don't mind spending money on.

Some people are already feverishly against using a Fumoto to hold all the oil in their engine. Those people will blow a gasket learning someone is using a DIY version.

 

[Razorbak86]

You could. Finding a two-step ball valve with the correct threading could be tough. Machining your own would be a fair bit of labour.


This is one product I certainly don't mind spending money on.

Some people are already feverishly against using a Fumoto to hold all the oil in their engine. Those people will blow a gasket learning someone is using a DIY version.

It would be hard to find a two-step ball valve with this threading, so rolling your own might be tough without a 3D printer.

Source: https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/changing-your-own-oil.13228/post-583436

 

[Uncle Gump]

I know some people swear by them... and to each their own.

I personally feel like they're an accident waiting to happen.

Being that the drain plug is the lowest possible point on the oil pan... adding this gizmo in 99.9 percent of applications will put it as the lowest hanging fruit and far more susceptible to being damaged then a regular drain plug.

 

[Raptor911]

this is the common reaction every time I post about fumoto. You will change your mind when you do your 1st oil change on the 2.7.

I know some people swear by them... and to each their own.

I personally feel like they're an accident waiting to happen.

Being that the drain plug is the lowest possible point on the oil pan... adding this gizmo in 99.9 percent of applications will put it as the lowest hanging fruit and far more susceptible to being damaged then a regular drain plug.

 

[vrtical]

yeah more of Fords brilliant engineering designs using plastic oil pans and plugs on performance and/or off road vehicles.

 

[Razorbak86]

yeah more of Fords brilliant engineering designs using plastic oil pans and plugs on performance and/or off road vehicles.

https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/autocomposites-update-engine-oil-pans

 

[vrtical]

https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/autocomposites-update-engine-oil-pans

again their junk and its a bean counter move.

 

[Imissmy1996bronco]

It would be hard to find a two-step ball valve with this threading, so rolling your own might be tough without a 3D printer.

Source: https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/changing-your-own-oil.13228/post-583436

Even then, you need a resin printer. Fdm prints are porous, so you would have a long persistent leak.

 

[Razorbak86]

again their junk and its a bean counter move.

Keep reading past the intro. There is some good stuff in the article about the design objectives and achievements that an engineer like you should appreciate. For example...

”As work got underway at DaimlerChrysler in 2007, a parallel program involving BASF and Dana started at Ford Motor Co. (Dearborn, MI, US) on the automaker’s 5.4L/3V (three-valve) V-8 engine for Ford’s F-150 pickups. This three-year effort yielded a 56- by 28- by 20-cm pan that, minus hardware, weighed only 2.24 kg. Also approved for implementation, this effort led to the team’s first North American commercial opportunity, on the 6.7L power-stroke turbo-diesel Scorpion engine in heavy-duty F-250 and F-350 pickups. The Scorpion engine was selected because Ford engineers wanted to integrate an oil level/temperature sensor in this engine’s 38 by 25 by 10 cm, 1.5-kg (fully dressed with hardware) nonstructural pan ― something that would’ve been difficult in stamped steel but straightforward in composites.

Launched in 2009, it was reportedly the first composite oil pan designed for exposed use (typical of North American vehicles without full underbody shields) thanks to a new material (Ultramid B3ZG7 OSI 35%-short-glass/PA 6) and a new waffle-rib configuration. The latter, for which BASF has patents pending, was developed and validated via extensive computer-aided engineering (CAE) analysis and impact testing. A proprietary modification package optimized the resin for stone impacts to -40°C and stabilized it against long-term heat aging in hot oil, bio-diesel and calcium chloride road salts (which normally attack polyamide). Although earlier composite pans had featured sacrificial ribs, this new rib design stood up to multiple stone impacts in BASF testing. Struck by a 100g steel impactor at 113 kph, the PA 6 lower pan sustained no damage, faring far better than legacy aluminum. Pan mass was reduced by 45%, NVH values were similar to aluminum and the pan didn’t rust or corrode. Several components were integrated to reduce assembly cost and it featured the first plastic drain plug, with a cam-lock element to prevent over-torquing and breaking the plug’s screw threads.”

 

[Bestdayever]

Another thought on drain plugs I have seen used. This is a little more compact and fits the 2.7 engine.

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