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That’s not the only thing.It all comes down to energy density which is set to improve dramatically in the next 4 years
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That’s not the only thing.It all comes down to energy density which is set to improve dramatically in the next 4 years
Cost? Mileage? What is the answer? If Tesla can put out the Cybertruck why can't we get an Electric Bronco?I guess the title of this thread is now debunked.
he didn’t say which Bronco..I bet it’s a sport because it’s not a body on frame contruction.
Plug-in electric is idiotic but hydrogen fuel cells, which requires using electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity, is smart?he didn’t say which Bronco..I bet it’s a sport because it’s not a body on frame contruction.
who cares ..plug in electric sucks and is idiotic .
japan both its automakers and it government are going completely hydrogen fuel cell. A huge funding organization is dumping billions to put in a hydrogen fuel network within the USA.
its 100% the future and you fuel up nice and fast like gas
there is no plug- in infrastructure in Japan..they aren’t doing that...they are getting away from nuclear, they have no coal or natural gas resources...Plug-in electric is idiotic but hydrogen fuel cells, which requires using electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity, is smart?
There's nothing easy about hydrogen, which is why Toyota has been working on this for a really long time. The charging infrastructure is being built much faster than you could ever build hydrogen infrastructure. Plus there's no national plan to create H2.
So let met get this straight, we don't have enough power for plug-in vehicles but we have enough power for hydrogen electrolysis on a massive scale? Electrolysis is about 80% efficient, fuel cells are 40-60% efficient. To get that "unlimited" hydrogen you'll need unlimited electricity.there is no plug- in infrastructure in Japan..they aren’t doing that...they are getting away from nuclear, they have no coal or natural gas resources...
they have a dozen hydrogen plants up and running ..going full blown fuel cell and direct hydrogen by 2035.
they are phasing out plug-in vehicles as well in Europe and moving to hydrogen ..again because of natural resources for power plants.
the USA has absolutely no Infrastructure to handle just a 15% share of plug-in electric vehicles..it’s not possible, it’s currently at 1%. Even in California, people with plus-ins are going back to gas because it’s easier and more reliable. Not to mention home electric prices will sky rocket.
we built one new coal powered plant 2 years ago, natural gas plants & nuclear take years to construct, and wind power and solar are a joke and unreliable.
you can make as many plugs as you want, if you don’t have power plants to send electricity to them ...it’s all for not.
hydrogen is unlimited and is fairly quick to build, it’s fast at the pump like gas and is cheaper per mile to run than plug-in.
they have new technology that doesn’t even use natural gas to make hydrogen now...bottom line plug in electric using toxic batteries will not be viable at 15% plug- in electric saturation In the US Market.So let met get this straight, we don't have enough power for plug-in vehicles but we have enough power for hydrogen electrolysis on a massive scale? Electrolysis is about 80% efficient, fuel cells are 40-60% efficient. To get that "unlimited" hydrogen you'll need unlimited electricity.
Here's where you hydrogen according to the US government https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-resourcesthey have new technology that doesn’t even use natural gas to make hydrogen now...bottom line plug in electric using toxic batteries will not be viable at 15% plug- in electric saturation In the US Market.
chevron just made a huge move to enter the hydrogen market in the US. It will only grow exponentially. The new technology that’s going to make the big difference and is a game changer is this. https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/
The bottom line is Jay Leno can get his 1908 Stanley Steamer going faster than a Tesla starting at 10% charge to 70%.
plug-in electric is a gimmick and solves nothing
How will the batteries be dealt with? The amount of batteries (infrastructure) need to go completely solar/wind is astronomical. Pretty much every building will have to have batteries. The power grid in the US would pretty much need to be completely redone. Similar to building a hydrogen infrastructure. Building something fr the ground up.Here's where you hydrogen according to the US government https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-resources
You haven't addressed where we would get the electricity to make the hydrogen. If electricity production is the concern then hydrogen has no better chance than battery powered vehicles. Storing and transporting hydrogen isn't easy either. Hydrogen has to be stored at extremely high pressure. We don't have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen efficiently, and the investment to do so would be massive
Hydrogen's periodic table symbol is H.Plug-in electric is idiotic but hydrogen fuel cells, which requires using electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity, is smart?
There's nothing easy about hydrogen, which is why Toyota has been working on this for a really long time. The charging infrastructure is being built much faster than you could ever build hydrogen infrastructure. Plus there's no national plan to create H2.
You do realize you need H2 right? Not H2O, or staying on a fuel theme CH4, and C3H8. The only way you get that is splitting the H2 from the O, or 2H2 from the CH4. You need pure hydrogenHydrogen's periodic table symbol is H.
When a number follows a letter, it's showing that there are more than one atom. Example - H²O (water) two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
To stay on a fuel theme......
Natural Gas - CH⁴ , one carbon four hydrogen.
Propane - C³H⁸, three carbon eight hydrogen.