Here’s why you won’t see an electric Bronco

[wvmtneer]

It all comes down to energy density which is set to improve dramatically in the next 4 years

That’s not the only thing.

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[hemiblas]

The 2.7 SAS is going to get 17mpg on a 16.9 gallon tank. Thats 287 miles....I bet they could beat that with electric....

I guess the title of this thread is now debunked.

Cost? Mileage? What is the answer? If Tesla can put out the Cybertruck why can't we get an Electric Bronco?

 

[JaxGtc]

Electric Ford Bronco is a possibility, as CEO drops hint (msn.com)

 

[BroncoBuckaroo]

Electric Ford Bronco is a possibility, as CEO drops hint (msn.com)

he didn’t say which Bronco..I bet it’s a sport because it’s not a body on frame contruction.

who cares ..plug in electric sucks and is idiotic .

japan both its automakers and it government are going completely hydrogen fuel cell. A huge funding organization is dumping billions to put in a hydrogen fuel network within the USA.

its 100% the future and you fuel up nice and fast like gas

 

[Jdc]

he didn’t say which Bronco..I bet it’s a sport because it’s not a body on frame contruction.

who cares ..plug in electric sucks and is idiotic .

japan both its automakers and it government are going completely hydrogen fuel cell. A huge funding organization is dumping billions to put in a hydrogen fuel network within the USA.

its 100% the future and you fuel up nice and fast like gas

Plug-in electric is idiotic but hydrogen fuel cells, which requires using electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity, is smart?

There's nothing easy about hydrogen, which is why Toyota has been working on this for a really long time. The charging infrastructure is being built much faster than you could ever build hydrogen infrastructure. Plus there's no national plan to create H2.

 

[BroncoBuckaroo]

Plug-in electric is idiotic but hydrogen fuel cells, which requires using electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity, is smart?

There's nothing easy about hydrogen, which is why Toyota has been working on this for a really long time. The charging infrastructure is being built much faster than you could ever build hydrogen infrastructure. Plus there's no national plan to create H2.

there is no plug- in infrastructure in Japan..they aren’t doing that...they are getting away from nuclear, they have no coal or natural gas resources...

they have a dozen hydrogen plants up and running ..going full blown fuel cell and direct hydrogen by 2035.

they are phasing out plug-in vehicles as well in Europe and moving to hydrogen ..again because of natural resources for power plants.

the USA has absolutely no Infrastructure to handle just a 15% share of plug-in electric vehicles..it’s not possible, it’s currently at 1%. Even in California, people with plus-ins are going back to gas because it’s easier and more reliable. Not to mention home electric prices will sky rocket.

we built one new coal powered plant 2 years ago, natural gas plants & nuclear take years to construct, and wind power and solar are a joke and unreliable.

you can make as many plugs as you want, if you don’t have power plants to send electricity to them ...it’s all for not.

hydrogen is unlimited and is fairly quick to build, it’s fast at the pump like gas and is cheaper per mile to run than plug-in.

 

[Jdc]

there is no plug- in infrastructure in Japan..they aren’t doing that...they are getting away from nuclear, they have no coal or natural gas resources...

they have a dozen hydrogen plants up and running ..going full blown fuel cell and direct hydrogen by 2035.

they are phasing out plug-in vehicles as well in Europe and moving to hydrogen ..again because of natural resources for power plants.

the USA has absolutely no Infrastructure to handle just a 15% share of plug-in electric vehicles..it’s not possible, it’s currently at 1%. Even in California, people with plus-ins are going back to gas because it’s easier and more reliable. Not to mention home electric prices will sky rocket.

we built one new coal powered plant 2 years ago, natural gas plants & nuclear take years to construct, and wind power and solar are a joke and unreliable.

you can make as many plugs as you want, if you don’t have power plants to send electricity to them ...it’s all for not.

hydrogen is unlimited and is fairly quick to build, it’s fast at the pump like gas and is cheaper per mile to run than plug-in.

So let met get this straight, we don't have enough power for plug-in vehicles but we have enough power for hydrogen electrolysis on a massive scale? Electrolysis is about 80% efficient, fuel cells are 40-60% efficient. To get that "unlimited" hydrogen you'll need unlimited electricity.

 

[BroncoBuckaroo]

So let met get this straight, we don't have enough power for plug-in vehicles but we have enough power for hydrogen electrolysis on a massive scale? Electrolysis is about 80% efficient, fuel cells are 40-60% efficient. To get that "unlimited" hydrogen you'll need unlimited electricity.

they have new technology that doesn’t even use natural gas to make hydrogen now...bottom line plug in electric using toxic batteries will not be viable at 15% plug- in electric saturation In the US Market.

chevron just made a huge move to enter the hydrogen market in the US. It will only grow exponentially. The new technology that’s going to make the big difference and is a game changer is this. https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

The bottom line is Jay Leno can get his 1908 Stanley Steamer going faster than a Tesla starting at 10% charge to 70%.

plug-in electric is a gimmick and solves nothing

 

[Montana Bronco]

Electric, hydrogen, wind, solar, whatever... Bottom line is that the worlds economy is transitioning away from fossil fuels.

 

[Nellman]

I like the back and forth. I will say that plug in electric cars have a lot of issues. One that is not talked about is the energy lost everytime you plug in that car. Everytime ac goes to DC or vice a versa power is lost. So plug in cars make more sense without this conversion which would require the entire electrical grid to change.

Another bigger issue is the loss of time to recharge. Swappable batteries is electric vehicles only viable option. This then brings up what to do with all those extra batteries. This isn't like swapping propane tanks. Infrastructure for electric is far from adequate anywhere. Electric cars are for the upper middle class and higher in most regions. This is because you must own your home to have a real chance with electric vehicles to charge at home.

Hydrogen could be right around the corner or decades away. There are problems with hydrogen as well but the electricity issue isn't an issue with hydrogen. If you set up wind/solar which is limited production model it can create hydrogen when generating power and store said hydrogen for use later. Electric can't do this without a battery again that loses storage over time. Electric has more issues that still need to be addressed and a HUGE infrastructure is needed.

I am really hopeful hydrogen can be used but ultimately we could be using another source all together.

 

[Jdc]

they have new technology that doesn’t even use natural gas to make hydrogen now...bottom line plug in electric using toxic batteries will not be viable at 15% plug- in electric saturation In the US Market.

chevron just made a huge move to enter the hydrogen market in the US. It will only grow exponentially. The new technology that’s going to make the big difference and is a game changer is this. https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

The bottom line is Jay Leno can get his 1908 Stanley Steamer going faster than a Tesla starting at 10% charge to 70%.

plug-in electric is a gimmick and solves nothing

Here's where you hydrogen according to the US government https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-resources
You haven't addressed where we would get the electricity to make the hydrogen. If electricity production is the concern then hydrogen has no better chance than battery powered vehicles. Storing and transporting hydrogen isn't easy either. Hydrogen has to be stored at extremely high pressure. We don't have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen efficiently, and the investment to do so would be massive

 

[Nellman]

Here's where you hydrogen according to the US government https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-resources
You haven't addressed where we would get the electricity to make the hydrogen. If electricity production is the concern then hydrogen has no better chance than battery powered vehicles. Storing and transporting hydrogen isn't easy either. Hydrogen has to be stored at extremely high pressure. We don't have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen efficiently, and the investment to do so would be massive

How will the batteries be dealt with? The amount of batteries (infrastructure) need to go completely solar/wind is astronomical. Pretty much every building will have to have batteries. The power grid in the US would pretty much need to be completely redone. Similar to building a hydrogen infrastructure. Building something fr the ground up.

The battery disposal could be a bigger issue then just going nuclear. Batteries have a defined period of life. Electric cars have a lot of issues that are just being pushed down the road. These are real issues that will need to be addressed eventually.

Other issues that need to be addressed if the future is mostly solar and wind. Network security, if this isn't addressed the pipeline hacking would be considered child's play. The electric grid is under protected for cyber attacks. Battery storage and disposal. An increase in power needs to propel semitrucks, personal vehicles, commercial vehicles and everything else currently used on the power grid. This would also increase the ghost drain of adding a ton of extra charging stations. The need to figure out how to install charging stations in pretty much every parking lot in the US.

I believe you are greatly underestimating the infrastructure needed to move to electric. The current us electric grid is old and needs to be revamped for the current uses. Adding that much of a draw would require a complete rethinking of the current grid. You have to add more and probably new high power lines which have a higher fire risk. Placing all those lines underground would be best best to reduce fire and weather risks and better protect them. That is a huge undertaking.

Hydrogen is a new technology and could be easier to implement then redoing the entire US electric grid. Although the grid should be redone anyway, it would be much easier to redo what we have then to rebuild from scratch over time the grid. Looking at CA and Texas shows how the network is already starting to fail.

Shows how much hydrogen could be created annually with current production.
http://www.renewableenergyfocus.com/view/3157/hydrogen-production-from-renewables/

Shows how much gasoline is used in US in 2020. Making this theoretically possible.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq....t 123.49 billion,8.03 million barrels per day).

Your own reference states that hydrogen could be how renewable energy becomes viable. This makes storage easier. Your referenced article can go to:
https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-electrolysis there look towards bottom synergy with renewables.

 

[Buckin Bronco]

Plug-in electric is idiotic but hydrogen fuel cells, which requires using electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity, is smart?

There's nothing easy about hydrogen, which is why Toyota has been working on this for a really long time. The charging infrastructure is being built much faster than you could ever build hydrogen infrastructure. Plus there's no national plan to create H2.

Hydrogen's periodic table symbol is H.

When a number follows a letter, it's showing that there are more than one atom. Example - H²O (water) two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.

To stay on a fuel theme......

Natural Gas - CH⁴ , one carbon four hydrogen.

Propane - C³H⁸, three carbon eight hydrogen.

 

[Techun]

It's crazy to say we don't have the electricity for BEV and then say hydrogen is the answer. Hydrogen takes more electricity than battery electric vehicles per mile driven.

Also with the bronco highway mpg an electric version is going to struggle. It takes a lot of horsepower for the bronco to cruise at 65. A bev bronco will have terrible range.

 

[Jdc]

Hydrogen's periodic table symbol is H.

When a number follows a letter, it's showing that there are more than one atom. Example - H²O (water) two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.

To stay on a fuel theme......

Natural Gas - CH⁴ , one carbon four hydrogen.

Propane - C³H⁸, three carbon eight hydrogen.

You do realize you need H2 right? Not H2O, or staying on a fuel theme CH4, and C3H8. The only way you get that is splitting the H2 from the O, or 2H2 from the CH4. You need pure hydrogen

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