If the SAS/LUX/MIC is going to push a lot of us into 2024 with no PP - what are you going to do?

[AZ_Liberty]

I have a quick and probably dumb question, so please forgive me in advance. Last week, I lucked in to a dealer selling a stock order with a build week of Feb 6th. I asked him today since that is only three weeks away, if there is a VIN number for the Bronco yet. He said yes and sent it over to me. I assume I am safe and not impacted? I didn’t get LUX but I am getting SAS, hard top with high package.

Am I safe or is it still unknown?

You are fine. Anything with a VIN isn't affected. This just affects vehicle scheduling for the next 8 months or so.

BUT... Dealers were not supposed to be allowed to order SAS or Hard Tops. So, how did the dealer get that ordered. Of course, Ford has lied over and over...

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[MLRey]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jeep makes a special offer to unfilled Bronco reservation holders. It would be something like "Show proof of cancelling your Ford Bronco order and get $5K off any in stock Wrangler". It would be a good marketing move and would help move the Wranglers which are starting to build up on dealer lots.

 

[mhtucker78]

And aside from that - if this is the straw that broke the cam's back for you - what is your "backup" vehicle plan?

Have and OBX Lux/2.7/ADV4x4/MIC so like a sleeper pavement princess.

My Plan Zs are
Kia Telluride
23 Toyota 4Runner

 

[cobro92]

I know they are kind of boring and utilitarian (but so is the Taco) but the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X is a pretty sweet truck. The right amount of tech and has a bombproof drivetrain.

 

[rak2]

What am I going to do ?

As a non-reservation holder that has been watching the forum since before the initial product release, and was expecting to be owning and driving a Bronco well before now:

1. First thing I need to do is stop checking this forum 3 times a day.
As a former student of management, there is some entertainment value in seeing the flip-flops in the marketing and corporate decisions going on. However, it is also stressful as I would hope for any company to be doing better and better over time and to be providing outstanding future support a major purchase of mine. It feels like the company is not listening and is otherwise doubling down on mis-steps.

2. Need to watch for new models of competing products to be released (Toyota etc) and study those to see if they turn out to be a good match for my wants and needs in 3+ years (though all of my estimates have been slipping....), and, if/when I find something I like - then come back and see how the Bronco is doing.

Note: Am in a fortunate situation owning a couple of old Hondas as family cars and can get by with no new car purchase for a number of years. But, I want to have a for me , fun car, to spend some of my kids inheritance on mods. Got the money saved up and no place to go.

Sorry for the negativity. I will graciously accept (and perhaps be relieved by) being Banned.

rak2

 

[MnLakeBum]

Mine is on a rail car somewhere between Indiana and Minnesota but if I had to change my original 1/29/21 order or lose PP, I’d be buying a Jeep 392 or a Defender. After such a long wait, I’m pretty apathetic about getting my Bronco and will likely sell it in the next few years for something like the new Scout that VW will be bringing to the market in 2026.

 

[Maximus3311]

What am I going to do ?

As a non-reservation holder that has been watching the forum since before the initial product release, and was expecting to be owning and driving a Bronco well before now:

1. First thing I need to do is stop checking this forum 3 times a day.
As a former student of management, there is some entertainment value in seeing the flip-flops in the marketing and corporate decisions going on. However, it is also stressful as I would hope for any company to be doing better and better over time and to be providing outstanding future support a major purchase of mine. It feels like the company is not listening and is otherwise doubling down on mis-steps.

2. Need to watch for new models of competing products to be released (Toyota etc) and study those to see if they turn out to be a good match for my wants and needs in 3+ years (though all of my estimates have been slipping....), and, if/when I find something I like - then come back and see how the Bronco is doing.

Note: Am in a fortunate situation owning a couple of old Hondas as family cars and can get by with no new car purchase for a number of years. But, I want to have a for me , fun car, to spend some of my kids inheritance on mods. Got the money saved up and no place to go.

Sorry for the negativity. I will graciously accept (and perhaps be relieved by) being Banned.

rak2

Well said - and your “note” is the position I’m in so I suppose all-in-all I’m pretty fortunate.

I have a 10 year old CC R line that is still in excellent condition and runs fine. I’m planning on keeping that car when I get (whatever I end up with) and use it as my airport car. Don’t feel like parking an expensive new car At the airport for days at a time (between the catalytic converter theft out of the employee lot and hail every summer better to not risk it).

I tend to process things quickly - at first when this news came out I was furious. At this point (just a couple days later) willing to downgrade my Badlands a bit. Going to remove SAS but add the wheel with the beauty ring and take Lux down to high.

with the money I save I’ll buy something like a Trailrax roof rack and pay for an audio upgrade.

when the 33s wear out I’ll decide then if I want to add a lift and spacer/remove the crash bars and toss on 35s.

But I’m keeping my MIC top. If/when I’m not scheduled in 23 (and pushing 3 years at that point - reserved/ordered feb 21) I’ll have to asses whether or not I want to re up my order for 24 with no price protection or if I’ve finally had it.

By then I guess I’ll have a good idea about 24 options (redone Tacoma, canyon at4x etc).

 

[lrtexasman]

Start talking to dealers in the next few months so they can keep you informed. Toyota typically doesn't permit special orders, so kind of have to shop around and express interest to be sure you're one of the first in line to grab a specialty model when it rolls in.

The TRD Pro is a very low production trim (1,400 Tacoma TRD Pros and made in 2017) only, and is Toyota's most capable off road loadout from the factory. When I bought mine in 2017, the main differences from the TRD Off Road (next highest, but very high production volume) were the Fox internal bypass shocks, heavier duty skid plwyesy, LED fog lights, nicer rims, and leather interior. That's unfortunately still true for the Tacoma up to now, but that pattern seems to be changing as the 2023 Tundra TRD Pro received its massive overhaul and new platform. That rig now has a 15" screen, optional hybrid powertrain, and some other creature comforts.

This is all to say that the 2024 Tacoma will probably be a big step up from 2023, but in my humble opinion, you're best served by the TRD Off Road if you want to mod if out yourself, and the TRD Pro if you want something well-appointed from the factory. Again, you're mostly paying for suspension, some cosmetic improvements (and access to one TRD Pro-exclusive paint color per model year, which is usually rolled out to lower trims in the subsequent model year).

The Pro will come with everything the OR does, but even the Bilstein shocks you get with the OR are pretty good unless you want to go desert running at high speed!

Just be aware that Tacos have very poor road manners compared to the Bronco. I'm bearish on Toyota actually addressing this in a meaningful way anytime soon, because they haven't needed to as they have a strangle hold on mid-size trucks.

Recent spy shots are hinting at the Tacoma going with a coil suspension. In the reasons for getting the TRD OR you can also add the 6' bed, which is not available on the Pro.

 

[ohp138]

here’s the thing - I guess if there’s a rebate I’d be willing to drop from Lux to high and drop the sas for my base badlands and throw better 35s and upgrade the sound system on there later.
But I’m not willing to bend on the MIC top.

That’s non-negotiable for me. Living in Colorado and spending a lot of time in the mountains all 4 seasons I don’t want a soft top.

so if they give me some kind of credit and I can keep the MIC…ok. Butif they can’t even do that then fuck em. I’ll go buy something else.

I live in Colorado as well and NO WAY would I settle for a soft top, especially when you consider there are no rear vents for passengers. I was fortunate to get my Bronco (as ordered), but regret not getting the Sasquatch package, as I've now added bigger tires and will soon be adding a 2" lift. My OBX took 18 months to get to me, which I now consider fortunate compared to your wait.

 

[Maximus3311]

I live in Colorado as well and NO WAY would I settle for a soft top, especially when you consider there are no rear vents for passengers. I was fortunate to get my Bronco (as ordered), but regret not getting the Sasquatch package, as I've now added bigger tires and will soon be adding a 2" lift. My OBX took 18 months to get to me, which I now consider fortunate compared to your wait.

Yep! You know how the mountains are in the winter - between the temps, the snow, the wind...no way am I rolling in a soft top.

I'm not as worried about SAS since the Badlands is already pretty well appointed. I'm planning on upgrading the wheels and taking the stock Badlands 33" tires (that are honestly better than the tires on the SAS). As far as I can tell, with the upgraded wheels on the Badlands it pretty much matches the SAS wheels (looks-wise). Those wheels can take the 35s so when it comes time to replace the factory tires (assuming I ever get my Bronco) that's when I'll likely do the lift and removing the crash bars.

Again this is all assuming I actually get my Bronco. And who knows? Maybe I'll actually like the 33s enough to keep that size. I'm not going to do any real extreme trails - this is more for moderate -mod/hard trails and overlanding.

 

[Dral97]

Anyone considering jumping over to a 392, this is a pretty good write up of it for the 23MY.

https://www.drivingline.com/article...ubicon-392-xtreme-recon-whats-gone-whats-new/

This is of course a bit of a different vehicle. I got a nice discount (about 8k under msrp) on mine, but the price of it optioned out for me was north of 90k.

 

[cyberfalco]

Buy the TRD Pro if you want a vehicle before summer

 

[vrtical]

Jeeps best customer 3 years running - Ford.

 

[Maximus3311]

Buy the TRD Pro if you want a vehicle before summer

I'm probably an idiot but I still have hope. Plus I get a raise every summer so while I'm waiting I guess I just bank more $$$. It's not like my 10 year old VW costs me much...

 

[cyberfalco]

I'm probably an idiot but I still have hope. Plus I get a raise every summer so while I'm waiting I guess I just bank more $$$. It's not like my 10 year old VW costs me much...

I wood wait if you don't need a vehicle. That is what I did.

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