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They enforce when it suits their purpose
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For anyone interested, I asked this question about California VC over in the "Bay Area Riders Forum" (BARF). That's a forum for motorcyclists in the SF Bay Area primarily. They have a "LEO Thread" where CHP and other folks answer questions regarding things like this.
Anyway, I tracked down the thread I posted and dug it up. You can find it here.
Anyway, I tracked down the thread I posted and dug it up. You can find it here.
lol you also cannot have tinted windows or tires poke pass flairs or radio heard from outside auto or no bare feet driving or have to have a mufflerI just came across this:
Funny you say that, because I heard of a Jeeper doing just that on a Wrangler forum. According to the member, the ticket was thrown out / dismissed. It was unknown if it was because of the tube door argument, but it was more suspected that the officer that wrote the citation had a history of being overzealous and the judge or whoever just wasn't having it.
Regardless, what I have heard from Jeep groups seems to be similar to what I am hearing so far here...no one seems to care enough to really enforce but it could happen.
you're working way too hard if you manage to score a ticket in that little PA town on your trip to disney, OK
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As a retired LE, a few thoughts:
1) Be properly seat-belted.
2) Be respectful. State you want to comply with the law, but you also want to enjoy the day. "I'm on my way to an off-road area, and left my doors at home."
3) Ask, in polite tone, "With all respect, officer (or trooper--note the difference!), do you write UPS and mail truck drivers when they drive with their doors open--isn't that, functionally, the same thing?"
4) "I'd appreciate your exercise of your officer's discretion and giving me a warning, which I'll take seriously."
5) You can always appeal it, using the same arguments, and hope for the best. Try and get some info on the magistrate or judge who is likely to preside.
What never works:
"Do you know who I am?"
"I know (fill in the blank)(important political or police big shot)" (If you do have pull, you use it discretely without announcement or fanfare.)
"I suppose you've got to meet your quota."
"You stopped me because I'm (fill in persecuted minority), didn't you?"
Cops are like bears: some are always easy-going, and some are nasty. You might meet a nice bear having a bad day, or a bad day having a nice bear. Treat all bears with respect.
1) Be properly seat-belted.
2) Be respectful. State you want to comply with the law, but you also want to enjoy the day. "I'm on my way to an off-road area, and left my doors at home."
3) Ask, in polite tone, "With all respect, officer (or trooper--note the difference!), do you write UPS and mail truck drivers when they drive with their doors open--isn't that, functionally, the same thing?"
4) "I'd appreciate your exercise of your officer's discretion and giving me a warning, which I'll take seriously."
5) You can always appeal it, using the same arguments, and hope for the best. Try and get some info on the magistrate or judge who is likely to preside.
What never works:
"Do you know who I am?"
"I know (fill in the blank)(important political or police big shot)" (If you do have pull, you use it discretely without announcement or fanfare.)
"I suppose you've got to meet your quota."
"You stopped me because I'm (fill in persecuted minority), didn't you?"
Cops are like bears: some are always easy-going, and some are nasty. You might meet a nice bear having a bad day, or a bad day having a nice bear. Treat all bears with respect.
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so does that mean every Fedex, ups, and amazon driver should be pulled over since they drive with their doors open. Hell, I see amazon drivers with the back door rolled up too.
Not that I support the law…but If it happens in the state is IS their damn business. Just saying.
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For our clever rebels, going doorless allows free stop and search of your vehicle by any law enforcement person in any US state or possession, as upheld by US Court of Appeals in Horton v. California, 496 U.S. 128 (1990). So how private and free are you now?
And thank heaven there are shoe laws, some of you can use some orthopedic help, or at least a trip to the nail salon. There are some things you just can't unsee.
And thank heaven there are shoe laws, some of you can use some orthopedic help, or at least a trip to the nail salon. There are some things you just can't unsee.
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The Rest of America:
The Rest of America:
This is incorrect.For our clever rebels, going doorless allows free stop and search of your vehicle by any law enforcement person in any US state or possession, as upheld by US Court of Appeals in Horton v. California, 496 U.S. 128 (1990). So how private and free are you now?
And thank heaven there are shoe laws, some of you can use some orthopedic help, or at least a trip to the nail salon. There are some things you just can't unsee.
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Yep! Last year I found a heavy carton in the middle of a two-lane state road--so heavy I could barely get it off to the side and out of hazard's way. It was, apparently, a Tacoma bumper that had fallen off a FedEx truck. I stopped at a nearby fire station so they could notify the town's work's department to attend to it. Hope it go to its proper destination!
To answer your points, except possibly by the carriers' own safety boys, I have never heard of a city delivery driver getting cited for open door.
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