Where Did the Granger Ford Allocation Update Thread Go?

[22OBX]

I’d be fine with my dealer getting zero if it was going in order of reservation.

What should have been stated with reservations. You will be prioritized in order with the your dealer’s Bronco orders assuming it is a non constrained build. The order was converted with the dealer and the dealer ordered from Ford on your behalf.

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[Mr. Nice]

It's not there for F-series either honestly. Why we were seeing pictures of gigantic once-fields full of unfinished vehicles.

But the one big advantage the F-series has is the full supply chain was already in-place and operational before Covid-19. They build ~50,000 - 65,000 F-series trucks a month spread across 4-5 different assembly plants.

Bronco is a brand new product with unique components that is built in the same plant as an existing product. So there would have been bumps in the road regardless. But since the supply chain is so messed up, any minor "bump in the road" turns into a huge mountain (sometimes literally).

You’re right. I was kind a thinking the same. Makes sense. Thanks for your wisdom.

 

[Mr. Nice]

Ford has created such a mess of this... and once again I will say that they have really mostly hurt the consumer who has been caught in the middle.

I have two orders - one of them a first day order and the other one was a few days later. Both orders are with Granger, although I am in SoCal. Why? The primary reason is that I simply don't have the time/energy to go interrogate several different local dealers in order to get a confirmed price in writing. I mean, seriously, that would take a considerable amount of effort. In contrast, Zach & Albert made it REAL easy to trust them AND they were on top of their game with Bronco ordering/timing knowledge AND they were very upfront with their pricing AND I wanted to support this kind of dealership. Unfortunately, Granger's pricing ruffled a lot of feathers but the 2021 allocation process - though not ideal, was reasonable. In fact, Zach took proactive steps to help reservation holders once he knew the then-newly communicated allocation algorithm. (This is when Zach announced even more aggressive discounting.... which would increase their number of reservation holds while simultaneously providing a great price to people who favored pricing of super-early delivery. All was good. Zach was exactly the guy I wanted in my corner.

But then threw the big curveball... and absolutely screwed a lot of us. This happened when Ford pushed all of the 2021 orders to a 2022 model. OK, no big deal.... until they changed the rules of the allocation process. At each step - and with the assistance of Zach and his great staff, we always had eyes wide open.

So, with the new 2022 model allocation process - which in summary just screwed all of us who decided to go with Granger, each of us has had to decide to stay or go find another dealer. However, do you remember my aforementioned concern about the time and effort to go get straight talk and commitment from various (local) dealers??? It became even harder. Not only did you have to find a dealership willing to commit to pricing (at least at the GM level because any position under that churns every couple of months), but now you had to ask/understand/believe what they may tell you about their allocation. I say this task is virtually impossible.

I know I am on a bit of a rant here.... but I kind of feel like the only win I have against "the man" is to stay with Granger - through the thick and the thin. I'm very, very, interested to convert my order to the new Raptor Bronco... but I will only do that if I can stay with Granger.

Very noble of you…

 

[Zach@Granger]

Zach@Granger - I got this from Hunter yesterday so I'm not sure he has the numbers right now: "Currently my list is under construction, So I do not have an accurate spot at this time."

PM me your information and I'll follow up on this.

 

[North7]

I get the allocation thing caused some issues but that's not a good reason to completely go ghost. I mean, we have no idea what is going on. What we should be expecting and most importantly, what we should be telling customers when they ask for an update. I feel like there's going to be a melt down soon if Ford doesn't give us some type of statement as to what's going on. Chips? Continued commodity constraints? Forecast on constraints for the next 4 months? I can't see an end to this or even light at the end of the tunnel based on the complete lack of anything from Ford over the last few months.

I think the melt down has already started, evidence for thought.

January 2022 sales represent a -11.4% decrease from December 2021.

Bronco January 2022 Sales & Production Numbers: 8,101 Sold / 12,938 Produced

Somehow my October thread is alive and well:
Jumping Ship? - What's Your Plan B Vehicle Purchase?

And last, if you look at the threads about the new Raptor, they really have not exploded like so many other threads do, lack of interest perhaps or people just don't want to get jerked around anymore.

 

[flip]

I think the melt down has already started, evidence for thought.

Bronco January 2022 Sales & Production Numbers: 8,101 Sold / 12,938 Produced

Somehow my October thread is alive and well:
Jumping Ship? - What's Your Plan B Vehicle Purchase?

And last, if you look at the threads about the new Raptor, they really have not exploded like so many other threads do, lack of interest perhaps or people just don't want to get jerked around anymore.

Right. It would be like me scheduling an appointment for your vehicle to be serviced and I tell you to bring it in, "we'll get to it" and then never call back or give you an answer as to why, what was wrong with it, if parts are on back order, staffing problem due to 'rona, whatever. That's how this all feels to me. If Ford doesn't want to deliver the message I completely understand and have no problem whatsoever being the messenger regardless if it's good or bad.

Ever get in an argument with a spouse or co worker? Does the issue ever get better if you stop talking about it or ignore the situation? Usually get's to a point where there's a huge blow up and the relationship dynamic changes.

I don't need to know how many or which orders are going to get because Ford doesn't know. Parts and semiconductors are somewhat out of their control and they may not more than a few weeks or months line of sight. No excuse for not keeping dealers informed so we can communicate with our customers. If we know what the upcoming problems are we might be able to move some options around to try and make more units visible to be built. Feels like we are just spinning our wheels and hoping the scheduling lottery gods feel benevolent.

 

[Drex]

I get the allocation thing caused some issues but that's not a good reason to completely go ghost. ...

Agreed on the ghost bit, but from the final consumer perspective; allocations caused all the issues that get folks riled up. I.E. all the issues that matter. People would gripe, but understand supply chain problems, trucking difficulties, ETC., however the anger inducing part is being lied to by Ford and being dismissed by them as a nuisance at (seemingly) each and every turn. The disrespect is palpable and Levine's well documented rants cannot be seen as anything but condescending.

People would even accept walk-in orders getting serviced before them as long as Ford kept their original terms on the reservations and got identical builds built for the reservation holders first (even if shipping had to wait a bit, not like shipping isn't waiting now as it stands)

Folks believed if they followed the rules, they would be treated equably. They weren't. All stems from Ford's first decision to destroy the reservation system by adding allocations. That was all Ford, no mitigation from external sources on that. Ford chose the allocation formula that ignores where the reservations are waiting. They are now reaping what they sowed.

 

[okbob]

Which is sad because Mr Levine told us to move our orders to dealers with more allocation then told dealers to not talk about it

And Ford denied reservation transfers lol.........guess Levine didn't know as much as he thought.

 

[North7]

Right. It would be like me scheduling an appointment for your vehicle to be serviced and I tell you to bring it in, "we'll get to it" and then never call back or give you an answer as to why, what was wrong with it, if parts are on back order, staffing problem due to 'rona, whatever. That's how this all feels to me. If Ford doesn't want to deliver the message I completely understand and have no problem whatsoever being the messenger regardless if it's good or bad.

Ever get in an argument with a spouse or co worker? Does the issue ever get better if you stop talking about it or ignore the situation? Usually get's to a point where there's a huge blow up and the relationship dynamic changes.

I don't need to know how many or which orders are going to get because Ford doesn't know. Parts and semiconductors are somewhat out of their control and they may not more than a few weeks or months line of sight. No excuse for not keeping dealers informed so we can communicate with our customers. If we know what the upcoming problems are we might be able to move some options around to try and make more units visible to be built. Feels like we are just spinning our wheels and hoping the scheduling lottery gods feel benevolent.

One does not need to search very hard in Google do see concerning Wall Street stories over the last month. Is some of Ford's silence due to them being afraid of disappointing Wall Street with anything less than unicorns and rainbows?

Ford just hit a $100 billion market cap — why its stock may crash 52%

Ford Cars Had A Bad Year

Watch Farley's Jan 20th interview in this video at 50 seconds in, speaking about new EV companies, the best he can do is remind us they are a 118 year old company, invented the assembly line and Ford's contributions during WWII. Why does he not address the elephant in the room, current issues across all of Ford, does he think everyone should give Ford a pass because of history?
Ford Stock Is Lower This Week. When to Buy the Dip?

(I do not know, follow or endorse any of these articles, I just found them through Google search.)

 

[flip]

Agreed on the ghost bit, but from the final consumer perspective; allocations caused all the issues that get folks riled up. I.E. all the issues that matter. People would gripe, but understand supply chain problems, trucking difficulties, ETC., however the anger inducing part is being lied to by Ford and being dismissed by them as a nuisance at (seemingly) each and every turn. The disrespect is palpable and Levine's well documented rants cannot be seen as anything but condescending.

People would even accept walk-in orders getting serviced before them as long as Ford kept their original terms on the reservations and got identical builds built for the reservation holders first (even if shipping had to wait a bit, not like shipping isn't waiting now as it stands)

Folks believed if they followed the rules, they would be treated equably. They weren't. All stems from Ford's first decision to destroy the reservation system by adding allocations. That was all Ford, no mitigation from external sources on that. Ford chose the allocation formula that ignores where the reservations are waiting. They are now reaping what they sowed.

Allocation has been around forever and is a function of how many vehicles they could produce in any time period. Instead of basing it on specific dealers, it's been a function/calculation by market, region and zone. Retail is prioritized over stock and dealers "earn" more "allocation" by what they sell. If I've got a ton of fleet 150s on my lot and Ford does a snapshot of my inventory, they'll say you have plenty days supply and decreases the number of trucks I can get that round. That's a very general way of how it works and probably the most fair. Bronco comes along and they want to get super specific with who get's what based on orders. Unfortunately, normal ordering didn't happen so the distribution plan went out the window. Actually, it went out the window after reservations surpassed their 60K first year build goal.

I think, no, I know they want to build as many Broncos as possible but are at the mercies of suppliers and production capacity. Everyone understands that but we need to hear it. How long is it going to last? What is the forecast for specific options? Something?

 

[BroncoT]

My story. I had two reservations, my original with big local and one with Granger. For some idiot reason, I canceled big local at the deadline. Big mistake. Tried to transfer order, that failed. So I placed a new order with Big dealer over the holidays. No hard top. It’s scheduled for build in March.

I’m keeping my Granger order though. Hope it either gets filled quickly (changed it to soft top, removed towing) or really late. Like 2024. Then I’m going to sell the big dealer Bronco likely for about the same price as I get Granger Bronco. Bingo presto, new Bronco.

Eat sh— all you Granger haters waiting on 2 year old reservations! The hard top looks soooo bad, this was a super easy call. Once I finally saw one in person, I was like, “oh hell no.”

 

[Wanted33]

Does getting scheduled really matter anymore when, even if you are partially built, your truck is going to Ice Mountain for a yet undetermined amount of time?

Very true. I don't even care anymore. Zach, and his crew have done all they can with no help from mother Ford. I'm to the point that it will happen when it happens. Whether I want it then, or not is still up for discussion.

 

[Wanted33]

I get the allocation thing caused some issues but that's not a good reason to completely go ghost. I mean, we have no idea what is going on. What we should be expecting and most importantly, what we should be telling customers when they ask for an update. I feel like there's going to be a melt down soon if Ford doesn't give us some type of statement as to what's going on. Chips? Continued commodity constraints? Forecast on constraints for the next 4 months? I can't see an end to this or even light at the end of the tunnel based on the complete lack of anything from Ford over the last few months.

@flip Phil, and that's the sad part of this entire fiasco.

Oh......and by the way....."STAY PUMPED" Yeah, I know.....................

 

[Slyder]

I'm not giving up on my Granger reservation and will be putting in some modifications to it in the near future, but those will be color, dropping modular bumper and Sasquatch package.
I refuse to go 4Dr and the only 4Dr I will even remotely consider is the Raptor, which is more like a fleeting wish, since I have horrible luck.

I have voiced in other threads that I'm exploring other options, but in no way is it saying that I've lost confidence with Zach and the crew. I'm looking at a late '23 at best according to what Hunter told me in December.

His comment in slcvv22's post now has me a bit more concerned, along with other things I've been seeing/reading.

There's also the fact that 2Dr's are commanding higher prices/adm's and other Dealers that will/would sell at MSRP are reluctant to or not willing to place a new order for one.
This has been my personal experience so far and I'm basically going to stop attempting to try and place a different order at high volume dealers.

 

[vrtical]

Customers have two choices, wait it out or buy something else. Auto shortages are not going to get any better anytime soon and the backlog just grows. At this point I am looking at inventory that is actually ON the lot, there is enough trickle of 22 stuff out there, its not going to be a Bronco, but it gets me to where I want to be in the short term which has now been over a year waiting.

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