New SSM 51014 released by Ford explaining 2.7 engine dipstick confusion

[Ducati1098]

Why is the factory fill a quart higher than any other 2.7L Ecoboost application if the engineers didn't intend to run 7 quart service fills for durability and the off road performance targets?

Why would you also again have them say that running 7 quarts will not harm anything, but if it was supposed to be 6 as they claim then they are massively wasting money on the factory fill even at corporate negotiated rates for bulk oil purchases?

This reeks of corporate bean counters trying to save a penny on providing the correct dip stick for the 7 quart service fills even if it will cost more in warranty work for those who followed the reduced oil level and subsequently lost an engine due to oil starvation and then Ford eats the warranty cost.

The dip stick is potentially correct at a 6 quart fill, but it is incorrect for the original service fill of 7 quarts as was in all of the documentation until they issued those ssms to try and cover up the wrong dip stick.

The people who actually built the engine specifically fill the Bronco's 2.7L with 7.5 quarts vs the F-150, Edge, etc at 6.5 quarts.

You'll never get 1.5 quarts of oil retention in this engine, more like 0.5 based on these factory fill to service fill differences.

I also see how you're ignoring the fact that they don't say never run 7 quart service fills, but to say that it's okay to ignore the max fill mark on the wrong dip stick because it won't cause any harm, so ignore the manual's warning on that. The FT4Z-6750-A part was for the fwd based 2.7L Ecoboost at 6 quarts. FT4Z-6750-B/C are also 6 quart sticks on a 2.7L, the F-150 has another different 6 quart stick, but those applications are supposed to be at that level. All of the previous documentation and consulting of the field service engineers have put the Bronco at 7 quarts until they realized that customers were looking for a dip stick that accurately reflects the original service fill level and were trying to buy the corrected 2.7L dip stick that they now try to claim was only meant for the Bronco Raptor's 3.0L, but that's not entirely true either.

So no I have not been given any valid reason to believe that after everything they did to make the engine prepared for the off road application they really intended it to hold only the same amount of oil on a service change as any other 2.7L application.

Unless they have an actual valid engineering reason for the change and it comes straight from the team validating the engine this sounds more like oh shit we need to change the dip stick on the 2.7L Ecoboost in the Bronco, it's really showing over filled from the factory and with the service fill, so the engineering team orders new dip sticks that read correctly for the 7.0 quart service fill but were overruled by the bean counters/accountants and lawyers to say that they will have the documents changed instead to match the parts in use, but you can keep the factory fill the same, that we don't care about.

Corporate cover ups and conspiracy theory's aside, I doubt Ford is ever going to come out with a better explanation let alone one good enough for you to believe it. Like I said, this post was just to pass along information that I saw posted, if you want to keep putting 7 quarts in your bronco, more power to you.

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[Ducati1098]

So the title of this thread is incorrect?

Bronco Team Engineering Confirms 7.0 Quarts for 2.7L Engine Oil Change is Correct | Bronco6G - 2021+ Ford Bronco & Bronco Raptor Forum, News, Blog & Owners Community

Please don't hurt me! I'm really not trying to argue. Just thought it was all cleared up and now this...

It was probably correct until Ford decided to dig into it further. I wasn't the one that got that information, nor am I part of the bronco engineering team or an FSE, but from the information Ford has posted recently, It looks that way.

 

[cowman]

So you're just assuming that the original dipstick isn't correct and that the engine does indeed hold 7 quarts instead of 6, even though the people that built this engine are telling you otherwise after looking into the issue? Why? Because they were wrong the first time?

Yes, they clearly messed up the first time with the amount, but I doubt they would go through all this trouble to put out a service message and verify the correct amount and dipstick to just be wrong again. I also understand a better explanation would be ideal, but good luck getting that.

My manual still says 7qt.....

 

[cowman]

No, SSM 50981 says 6 is correct

Ford has never sent me an SSM....

 

[Tazn69Bronco]

I feel like the "correct" way to fix this would be to replace all of the afflicted dipsticks at their cost not ours. Why am I being asked to pay even more to fix their mistake so their techs can fill my vehicle properly? Said tech bulletin isn't posted in every shop in the nation, and all owners are not as in tune with their vehicles as many of us are so this issue is going to persist for a long time to come!

 

[MrGreen55]

 

[Ducati1098]

My manual still says 7qt.....

Says they're in the process of changing the publications.

Ford has never sent me an SSM....

That's because you're not a dealership

 

[Ducati1098]

I feel like the "correct" way to fix this would be to replace all of the afflicted dipsticks at their cost not ours. Why am I being asked to pay even more to fix their mistake so their techs can fill my vehicle properly? Said tech bulletin isn't posted in every shop in the nation, and all owners are not as in tune with their vehicles as many of us are so this issue is going to persist for a long time to come!

You're not being asked to pay anything. They are saying that the original dipsticks are correct. And the bulletin goes out to every single Ford dealership in the country, which is who Ford wants working on the vehicle. Ford isn't going to notify customers or aftermarket shops of changes like this, that's not how it works. They will slowly fix the manuals to show 6 quarts instead of 7, and that will be the end of it probably.

 

[cowman]

Says they're in the process of changing the publications.



That's because you're not a dealership

Not very one goes to the dealership to get their oil changed..... so I guess it doesn't really matter....

 

[abe]

No, SSM 50981 says 6 is correct

The problem is a while back Ford engineers told @flip 7 quarts (at least I think they did. It's been too long ). Thanks for passing along the info!

 

[Ducati1098]

The problem is a while back Ford engineers told @flip 7 quarts (at least I think they did. It's been too long ). Thanks for passing along the info!

Yeah I get that. Makes everything 10x more confusing when Ford gives out contradicting information.

 

[bytheway]

So I have Raptor parts on my Bronco now?! Awesome.

That would actually make sense if the new dipstick was for Raptor 3.0L because 7 quarts doesn't quite show full on the hash marks.

 

[Ducati1098]

So I have Raptor parts on my Bronco now?! Awesome.

That would actually make sense if the new dipstick was for Raptor 3.0L because 7 quarts doesn't quite show full on the hash marks.

lol no, none of the incorrect dipsticks came in broncos from the factory. Every bronco has the correct dipstick according to Ford. The raptor dipstick they're talking about was just incorrectly listed in the parts catalog, so if someone ordered a dipstick during that time, they accidently got the raptor one, incorrectly.

 

[Planet_Express_IV]

Even the oil forums are arguing about this.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/ford-cant-figure-out-2-7l-bronco-oil-capacity.357905/

Every 2021-2022 Ford Bronco 2.7L Ecoboost has the wrong dip stick for the factory and intended service fill potentially had a correct part if they intended it to hold less oil than the 2.3L's 6.2 quart service fill at 6 quarts.

So their solution isn't to fix the dip sticks but to determine that it's much quicker to quietly change the documentation to try and save face and money.

However too many people are noticing this for it to be swept under the rug, and all it does is sow doubt and mistrust that they can't even get a dip stick/ oil level right, let alone the issues with poor glass adhesions etc.

 

[GaryB2220]

yeah but how much blinker fluid do i need to put in my canooter tank?

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