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some reasons for this thread
1) @mmcq - thread** - July 22, 1146 mi
2) Jose Hernandez - posted - ~Dec 2
3) @jeremy.wilson237 - 1st post, further - Dec 8, 2012 mi
4) @ToddGinGA - 1st post, update - Dec 5, 1358 mi
5) @Bubbabow - 1st post, update - Nov 21, 4000 mi
6) @Nikole - 1st post - ~Nov 1, 2900 mi
7) @Hailey Jo - 1st post - Dec 4, 3581 mi
8) @Lance103222 - 1st post - Dec 23, 2024 mi, new 2.7L**
9) Seb Gray - posted, further - Jan 23, 3800 mi
10) @estone28 - thread** - Oct 21, 1466 mi
11) Steve Seale - posted - Oct 22, 003 mi
12) @Broncoshrimp - thread** - Sept 10, 2380 mi, new 2.7L
13) charr124@BN - 1st post, posted, update - Oct 14, 1524 mi
14) @yogi_stvl - 1st post, further, updates - Sept 21, 1578 mi
15) Bill Thorpe @FB - posted - Jan 6, ~ 2700 mi
16) @roofone - posted - Sept ?
17) @69 Mach I - thread** - Nov 14, 2744 mi, new 2.7L**
18) @Broncitis - posted, update - Nov 5, 2199 mi
19) @Broncitis - replacement failed - Dec 2, 2200 mi
20) @International_George - thread** - Dec 24, 1795 mi, new 2.7L**
21) @Slosh1 - update, further - Dec 31, 3163 mi
22) @JollyFolly - 1st post, update, plug - Jan 8, 4552 mi, new 2.7L
23) @SS Hawk - 1st post - Jan 8, 1238 mi
24) @69-300 - 1st post, update - Jan 7, 1700 mi, new 2.7L
25) @Icarus - 1st post, update - Jan 12, 3153 mi, new 2.7L
26) @TravisC91 - 1st post, update - Jan 11, 1900 mi
27) @ChadJohnson - 1st post, update - Dec 10, 2900 mi
28) @Lv429 - 1st post - Jan 19, 2058 mi
29) - Confidential - Nov 9, 2906 mi
30) @ScottTexas - 1st post, posted - Jan 19, 4171 mi
31) @matthiggins - 1st post, update - Jan 15, 4547 mi
32) @yogi_stvl - replacement failed - Oct, 1580 mi
33) @blanchardsbronco - 1st post - Jan 28, 4412 mi, new 2.7L
34) @CanuckJeff - 1st post, update - Feb 7, 2277 mi
35) @KnoxGnater - update - Feb 6, 6618 mi, new 2.7L
36) @SLAY - 1st post - Feb 13, 984 mi
37) @Jaycefox - 1st post - Dec 11, 1166 mi, buyback
38) @KrazeeEyezKilla - 1st post, update - Feb 14, 2548 mi, new 2.7L
39) @CA_Badlands - 1st post - Feb 22, 3184 mi
40) @Jon_MothaFkn_Adams - 1st post - Feb 24, 6986 mi, new 2.7L
41) @Kess - 1st post - Feb 28, 1680 mi
42) Dorian Reyna - posted - March 7
43) @Math4Fun77 - DM, posted - March 7, 4478 mi, new 2.7L
44) @Mataxis - 1st post - March 13, 3818 mi, new 2.7L
45) Nick Brown @FB - posted - April 11, ~ 7k mi
46) T.J. Walsh @FB - posted - April 21, 3587 mi
47) @johngray95762 - 1st post - May 5, 5810 mi
48) @BanzaiBob - 1st post - May 8, 4003 mi, new 2.7L
49) @Desert Rider - 1st post - May 13, 3015 mi
50) @Leifvan - 1st post - May 15, 2167 mi, new 2.7L
51) @Pflo - 1st post - June 8, 3645 mi
52) NHTSA ID 11450737 - Dec 16
53) NHTSA ID 11467964 - March 4
54) NHTSA ID 11468268 - June 8, 923 mi
55) @KrazeeEyezKilla - replacement failed - June 12, 5203 mi (2655 engine), new 2.7L
56) @BRBUSTER72 - 1st post - July 1, 3902 mi
57) Scott Brooks @FB - posted - June 30
58) NHTSA ID 11473926 - April 11, 1255 mi
59) @sevenfab - 1st post, 1st post - Nov 2, 5272 mi
60) @bronco.sasquatch - 1st post - July 15, 2812 mi
61) NHTSA ID 11474991 - May 17, 6800 mi
62) NHTSA ID 11476304 - April 15
63) NHTSA ID 11481804 - August 9, 2022 - published August 29
64) @finkan13 - 1st post - September 7, 2022 - 9980 mi
65) Owner @ IG - posted September 8, 2022 - ~7500 mi
66) Victoria Cantor via FB - Sept 11, ~11,000 mi
67) @cmecatchu2 - posted - October 14
68) @BC2022 - posted December 13, 2022 - 5754 miles
** threads covering repairs - ( lines 17, 12, 10, 20, & 1 )
- also 2.7 Blown Engine Owner's Experiences
So far the engine build-dates run 21131 - 22019 - see how to read Engine Ser#
- 90% are in ' Hot Zone ', 21159 - 21224
- see table & graphs below the photos
Design Changes - in Fall '21
- engine Julian tracking data show the timeframes of these changes
January '22 - Lima Plant Newsletter - Ā§ Quality, page-1
-- 'Nano valve supplier issue was resolved with more robust design and material changes at the supplier.'
February '22 - MotorTrend, article by Justin Banner
". . if you experienced failure of your 2.7L Bronco V6 . . be sure to report it with NHTSA through their Report a Problem link . ."
29 April '22 - The Drive, article by Rob Stumpf
". . The Drive reached out to Ford for comment. A spokesperson from the automaker explained, 'We are aware of a select number of engines with this concern and we are investigating' . . "
27 May '22 - NHTSA Opens Investigation
". . investigation into alleged defect of 'valves' in '21 Broncos equipped w 2.7L Eco-boost engine . . . loss of motive power at highway speeds w no-restart due to catastrophic engine failures . ." - ( official pdf doc , updated 22 July )
4 June '22 - Detroit Free Press, article by Phoebe Wall Howard
- 2021 Ford Bronco catastrophic engine failure complaints lead to NHTSA investigation
" . . now the focus of a federal safety investigation . . "
6 June '22 - Ford Authority, article by Brett Foote - update, 26 July
- Bronco 2.7L V6 EcoBoost Engine Failures Explained: Exclusive
" . . utilize cheaper, sub-optimal valves acquired from a new supplier . . "
6 June '22 - @Broncoshrimp one of our own B6g blown engine survivors interviewed with reporter Rod Meloni, WDIV Channel 4 Detroit
- āI made a turn, and it just died without warningā: Feds investigate Ford Bronco engine failures
6 June '22 - MotorTrend, updated article by Justin Banner
"As of May '22, NHTSA is now involved . . . We contacted Ford for a response to this NHTSA investigation and are awaiting their response."
8 June '22 - The Autopian, article by Thomas Hundal
- Numerous Reports Of Dramatic 2021 Ford Bronco V6 Engine Failures
"Dozens of owners are reporting spontaneous engine failure, often before 5,000 miles"
- details w B6g blown engine survivor @Mataxis, & photo credit @jeremy.wilson237
12 July '22 - ' Should You Worry About the Bronco 2.7-Liter V-6 Investigation ? '
- Bronco Nation, article
" Another Bronco blog has tabulated 55 claimed failures, mostly engines built between May and August 2021. "
26 July '22 - Road & Track. article by Chris Perkins
- ' NHTSA Investigating Catastrophic Engine Failures in 2021 Broncos '
" Farley said 'We continue to be hampered by recalls and customer satisfaction actions. This has to change.' "
26 July '22 - The Wall Street Journal. updated article by Ryan Felton
- ' Bronco Engine-Failure Reports Spur Federal Safety Investigation '
" Ford has the most recalls of any U.S. auto maker with 45 this year "
other failed engine reports:
- NHTSA Reports (Nat'l Hwy Traffic Safety Admin)
- 2 at WA dealer __ 1 at IL dealer __ 7 at TX dealer __ 1 at SC dealer
If Your Engine Fails - dealer service of course - also :
- good to call Ford Customer Care - expedite repair, communication, cover rental
- engine ser# would be helpful in B6g build-date tracking
-- or last-8 digits of VIN, then B6g can lookup engine ser#
- good to file report w NHTSA - request Ford replacement campaign
- perspective w @Bmadda work experience Ford dealer Service Depts
Confidential Reports - anonymous reporting option
- use B6g Conversation
- send message to 'Lucchese'
- engine ser# - (see label photos)
-- or last-8 digits of VIN
- pls include mileage & fail-date if possible
example Engine Ser# Labels -
- B6g trying to see if the failures are confined to a range of engine build-dates
- maybe they were mostly built in same couple months ? - see also 2.7 Failed Engine Tracking Thread
- in 46 of the events we have the engine build-date info
Over 90% of dropped valve events range Julian 159 - 224
Notes:
- in October a Ford Lima employee (@Jay3630, deleted soon after) made five posts re 'bad batch of brittle valves' - 'April batch' - see posts #1, #2, #3, #4, #5
- if the failures are caused by 'bad valves', maybe that 'April batch' has been working its way thru the system - then the problems could subside ?
- late October a Ford Service Technician wrote a post re nationwide frequency of failures - he said 'about thirty in the last month . . recorded in the Ford Technicians Forum page'
January '22 - Lima Plant Newsletter - Ā§ Quality, page-1
-- 'Nano valve supplier issue was resolved with more robust design and material changes at the supplier.'
1) @mmcq - thread** - July 22, 1146 mi
2) Jose Hernandez - posted - ~Dec 2
3) @jeremy.wilson237 - 1st post, further - Dec 8, 2012 mi
4) @ToddGinGA - 1st post, update - Dec 5, 1358 mi
5) @Bubbabow - 1st post, update - Nov 21, 4000 mi
6) @Nikole - 1st post - ~Nov 1, 2900 mi
7) @Hailey Jo - 1st post - Dec 4, 3581 mi
8) @Lance103222 - 1st post - Dec 23, 2024 mi, new 2.7L**
9) Seb Gray - posted, further - Jan 23, 3800 mi
10) @estone28 - thread** - Oct 21, 1466 mi
11) Steve Seale - posted - Oct 22, 003 mi
12) @Broncoshrimp - thread** - Sept 10, 2380 mi, new 2.7L
13) charr124@BN - 1st post, posted, update - Oct 14, 1524 mi
14) @yogi_stvl - 1st post, further, updates - Sept 21, 1578 mi
15) Bill Thorpe @FB - posted - Jan 6, ~ 2700 mi
16) @roofone - posted - Sept ?
17) @69 Mach I - thread** - Nov 14, 2744 mi, new 2.7L**
18) @Broncitis - posted, update - Nov 5, 2199 mi
19) @Broncitis - replacement failed - Dec 2, 2200 mi
20) @International_George - thread** - Dec 24, 1795 mi, new 2.7L**
21) @Slosh1 - update, further - Dec 31, 3163 mi
22) @JollyFolly - 1st post, update, plug - Jan 8, 4552 mi, new 2.7L
23) @SS Hawk - 1st post - Jan 8, 1238 mi
24) @69-300 - 1st post, update - Jan 7, 1700 mi, new 2.7L
25) @Icarus - 1st post, update - Jan 12, 3153 mi, new 2.7L
26) @TravisC91 - 1st post, update - Jan 11, 1900 mi
27) @ChadJohnson - 1st post, update - Dec 10, 2900 mi
28) @Lv429 - 1st post - Jan 19, 2058 mi
29) - Confidential - Nov 9, 2906 mi
30) @ScottTexas - 1st post, posted - Jan 19, 4171 mi
31) @matthiggins - 1st post, update - Jan 15, 4547 mi
32) @yogi_stvl - replacement failed - Oct, 1580 mi
33) @blanchardsbronco - 1st post - Jan 28, 4412 mi, new 2.7L
34) @CanuckJeff - 1st post, update - Feb 7, 2277 mi
35) @KnoxGnater - update - Feb 6, 6618 mi, new 2.7L
36) @SLAY - 1st post - Feb 13, 984 mi
37) @Jaycefox - 1st post - Dec 11, 1166 mi, buyback
38) @KrazeeEyezKilla - 1st post, update - Feb 14, 2548 mi, new 2.7L
39) @CA_Badlands - 1st post - Feb 22, 3184 mi
40) @Jon_MothaFkn_Adams - 1st post - Feb 24, 6986 mi, new 2.7L
41) @Kess - 1st post - Feb 28, 1680 mi
42) Dorian Reyna - posted - March 7
43) @Math4Fun77 - DM, posted - March 7, 4478 mi, new 2.7L
44) @Mataxis - 1st post - March 13, 3818 mi, new 2.7L
45) Nick Brown @FB - posted - April 11, ~ 7k mi
46) T.J. Walsh @FB - posted - April 21, 3587 mi
47) @johngray95762 - 1st post - May 5, 5810 mi
48) @BanzaiBob - 1st post - May 8, 4003 mi, new 2.7L
49) @Desert Rider - 1st post - May 13, 3015 mi
50) @Leifvan - 1st post - May 15, 2167 mi, new 2.7L
51) @Pflo - 1st post - June 8, 3645 mi
52) NHTSA ID 11450737 - Dec 16
53) NHTSA ID 11467964 - March 4
54) NHTSA ID 11468268 - June 8, 923 mi
55) @KrazeeEyezKilla - replacement failed - June 12, 5203 mi (2655 engine), new 2.7L
56) @BRBUSTER72 - 1st post - July 1, 3902 mi
57) Scott Brooks @FB - posted - June 30
58) NHTSA ID 11473926 - April 11, 1255 mi
59) @sevenfab - 1st post, 1st post - Nov 2, 5272 mi
60) @bronco.sasquatch - 1st post - July 15, 2812 mi
61) NHTSA ID 11474991 - May 17, 6800 mi
62) NHTSA ID 11476304 - April 15
63) NHTSA ID 11481804 - August 9, 2022 - published August 29
64) @finkan13 - 1st post - September 7, 2022 - 9980 mi
65) Owner @ IG - posted September 8, 2022 - ~7500 mi
66) Victoria Cantor via FB - Sept 11, ~11,000 mi
67) @cmecatchu2 - posted - October 14
68) @BC2022 - posted December 13, 2022 - 5754 miles
** threads covering repairs - ( lines 17, 12, 10, 20, & 1 )
- also 2.7 Blown Engine Owner's Experiences
So far the engine build-dates run 21131 - 22019 - see how to read Engine Ser#
- 90% are in ' Hot Zone ', 21159 - 21224
- see table & graphs below the photos
Design Changes - in Fall '21
- engine Julian tracking data show the timeframes of these changes
January '22 - Lima Plant Newsletter - Ā§ Quality, page-1
-- 'Nano valve supplier issue was resolved with more robust design and material changes at the supplier.'
February '22 - MotorTrend, article by Justin Banner
". . if you experienced failure of your 2.7L Bronco V6 . . be sure to report it with NHTSA through their Report a Problem link . ."
29 April '22 - The Drive, article by Rob Stumpf
". . The Drive reached out to Ford for comment. A spokesperson from the automaker explained, 'We are aware of a select number of engines with this concern and we are investigating' . . "
27 May '22 - NHTSA Opens Investigation
". . investigation into alleged defect of 'valves' in '21 Broncos equipped w 2.7L Eco-boost engine . . . loss of motive power at highway speeds w no-restart due to catastrophic engine failures . ." - ( official pdf doc , updated 22 July )
4 June '22 - Detroit Free Press, article by Phoebe Wall Howard
- 2021 Ford Bronco catastrophic engine failure complaints lead to NHTSA investigation
" . . now the focus of a federal safety investigation . . "
6 June '22 - Ford Authority, article by Brett Foote - update, 26 July
- Bronco 2.7L V6 EcoBoost Engine Failures Explained: Exclusive
" . . utilize cheaper, sub-optimal valves acquired from a new supplier . . "
6 June '22 - @Broncoshrimp one of our own B6g blown engine survivors interviewed with reporter Rod Meloni, WDIV Channel 4 Detroit
- āI made a turn, and it just died without warningā: Feds investigate Ford Bronco engine failures
6 June '22 - MotorTrend, updated article by Justin Banner
"As of May '22, NHTSA is now involved . . . We contacted Ford for a response to this NHTSA investigation and are awaiting their response."
8 June '22 - The Autopian, article by Thomas Hundal
- Numerous Reports Of Dramatic 2021 Ford Bronco V6 Engine Failures
"Dozens of owners are reporting spontaneous engine failure, often before 5,000 miles"
- details w B6g blown engine survivor @Mataxis, & photo credit @jeremy.wilson237
12 July '22 - ' Should You Worry About the Bronco 2.7-Liter V-6 Investigation ? '
- Bronco Nation, article
" Another Bronco blog has tabulated 55 claimed failures, mostly engines built between May and August 2021. "
26 July '22 - Road & Track. article by Chris Perkins
- ' NHTSA Investigating Catastrophic Engine Failures in 2021 Broncos '
" Farley said 'We continue to be hampered by recalls and customer satisfaction actions. This has to change.' "
26 July '22 - The Wall Street Journal. updated article by Ryan Felton
- ' Bronco Engine-Failure Reports Spur Federal Safety Investigation '
" Ford has the most recalls of any U.S. auto maker with 45 this year "
other failed engine reports:
- NHTSA Reports (Nat'l Hwy Traffic Safety Admin)
- 2 at WA dealer __ 1 at IL dealer __ 7 at TX dealer __ 1 at SC dealer
If Your Engine Fails - dealer service of course - also :
- good to call Ford Customer Care - expedite repair, communication, cover rental
- engine ser# would be helpful in B6g build-date tracking
-- or last-8 digits of VIN, then B6g can lookup engine ser#
- good to file report w NHTSA - request Ford replacement campaign
- perspective w @Bmadda work experience Ford dealer Service Depts
Confidential Reports - anonymous reporting option
- use B6g Conversation
- send message to 'Lucchese'
- engine ser# - (see label photos)
-- or last-8 digits of VIN
- pls include mileage & fail-date if possible
example Engine Ser# Labels -
- B6g trying to see if the failures are confined to a range of engine build-dates
- maybe they were mostly built in same couple months ? - see also 2.7 Failed Engine Tracking Thread
- in 46 of the events we have the engine build-date info
Engine Build-Date | Fail Date | Miles | 'Seq#' |
---|---|---|---|
21131 - (11 May) | 13 Mar '22 | 3818 | 120036 |
21133 - (13 May) | 09 Nov '21 | 2906 | c* |
21159 - (08 June) | 08 Jan '22 | 4552 | 120075 |
21160 - (09 June) | 10 Sept '21 | 2380 | 120068 |
21160 - (09 June) | 05 Nov '21 | 2199 | 120201 |
21161 - (10 June) | 22 July '21 | 1146 | 120082 |
21161 - (10 June) | 14 Nov '21 | 2744 | 120300 |
21165 - (14 June) | 08 Jan '22 | 1238 | 120059 |
21166 - (15 June) | ~ 01 Nov '21 | 2900 | 120417 |
21166 - (15 June) | 12 Jan '22 | 3153 | 120435 |
21167 - (16 June) | 29 Jan '22 | 4412 | 130408 |
21168 - (17 June) | 21 Sept '21 | 1578 | 120383 |
21169 - (18 June) | 10 Dec '21 | 2900 | 120315 |
21169 - (18 June) | 01 July '22 | 3902 | 120486 |
21172 - (21 June) | 28 Feb '22 | 1680 | 120159 |
21174 - (23 June) | 02 Nov '21 | 5272 | 131021 |
21175 - (24 June) | 24 Dec '21 | 1795 | 130942 |
21179 - (28 June) | 11 Jan '22 | 1900 | 120662 |
21179 - (28 June) | 13 Feb '22 | 984 | 120680 |
21181 - (30 June) | 15 Jan '22 | 4547 | 120413 |
21181 - (30 June) | 19 Jan '22 | 4171 | 120672 |
21182 - (01 July) | 07 Feb '22 | 2277 | 120368 |
21193 - (12 July) | 05 May '22 | 5810 | 120453 |
21193 - (12 July) | 21 April '22 | 3587 | 120562 |
21195 - (14 July) | 15 July '22 | 2812 | 130897 |
21207 - (26 July) | 24 Feb '22 | 6986 | 130993 |
21207 - (26 July) | 23 Dec '21 | 2024 | 131088 |
21209 - (28 July) | 04 Dec '21 | 3581 | 130806 |
21209 - (28 July) | 21 Oct '21 | 1466 | 131010 |
21209 - (28 July) | 06 Feb '22 | 6618 | 131161 |
21209 - (28 July) | 07 Mar '22 | 4478 | 131375 |
21209 - (28 July) | 21 Nov '21 | 4000 | 131391 |
21211 - (30 July) | 15 May '22 | 2167 | 131190 |
21214 - (02 Aug) | 22 Feb '22 | 3184 | 131270 |
21214 - (02 Aug) | 08 Dec '21 | 2012 | 131422 |
21214 - (02 Aug) | 13 May '22 | 3015 | 131425 |
21214 - (02 Aug) | 14 Feb '22 | 2548 | 131465 |
21216 - (04 Aug) | 14 Oct '21 | 1524 | ? |
21224 - (12 Aug) | 05 Dec '21 | 1358 | 120196 |
21224 - (12 Aug) | 07 Jan '22 | 1700 | 120369 |
21224 - (12 Aug) | 11 Dec '21 | 1166 | 120464 |
21224 - (12 Aug) | 31 Dec '21 | 3163 | 120480 |
21224 - (12 Aug) | 08 June '22 | 3645 | 120543 |
21281 - (08 Oct) | 18 Jan '22 | 2058 | 130834 |
21342 - (08 Dec) | 08 May '22 | 4003 | 120333 |
22019 - (19 Jan) | 12 June '22 | 2655 | 120113 |
Over 90% of dropped valve events range Julian 159 - 224
Notes:
- in October a Ford Lima employee (@Jay3630, deleted soon after) made five posts re 'bad batch of brittle valves' - 'April batch' - see posts #1, #2, #3, #4, #5
- if the failures are caused by 'bad valves', maybe that 'April batch' has been working its way thru the system - then the problems could subside ?
- late October a Ford Service Technician wrote a post re nationwide frequency of failures - he said 'about thirty in the last month . . recorded in the Ford Technicians Forum page'
January '22 - Lima Plant Newsletter - Ā§ Quality, page-1
-- 'Nano valve supplier issue was resolved with more robust design and material changes at the supplier.'
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